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It seems that HS2 have given notice that tunnel segments will be taken to Old Oak Common by road for 4 months from 7th June to 5th October, and will arrive about 10pm

No idea why it needs road deliveries for 4 months

 
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It seems that HS2 have given notice that tunnel segments will be taken to Old Oak Common by road for 4 months from 7th June to 5th October, and will arrive about 10pm

No idea why it needs road deliveries for 4 months


The notice seems rather confusing - is is tunnel segments or TBM segments for reassembly of the Tunnel Boring Machines? Or both?
 

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The notice seems rather confusing - is is tunnel segments or TBM segments for reassembly of the Tunnel Boring Machines? Or both?
I think it’s the latter. There is also a logistics tunnel previously constructed for the former https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/article...ling-machine-for-old-oak-common-tunnel-61965/
Once it has been completed, this logistics tunnel will be used to transport over 8,000 larger tunnel segment rings to construct HS2’s Euston railway tunnel. The segment rings are being manufactured in Hartlepool and will be sent to London via the West Coast Mainline, and once delivered at the Atlas Road site they will be sent down the logistics tunnel to the HS2 tunnels being constructed to link Old Oak Common to Euston.
 

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This sounds like the Old Oak conveyor system which was planned to take tunnel segments from Willesden and deliver them to the Victoria Road access shaft (to feed the Northolt East TBMs) is not able to do that temporarily, probably because it is being dedicated to spoil extraction the other way.
So the road transport may only be a local trip by truck around the OOC site rather than using the conveyor across it.
At some point the conveyor system itself was being reconfigured, on completion of the excavation of sections of the OOC box.
Happy to be corrected...
 

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The web page does say tunnel segments in one place and TBM segments in another. But have the TBMs already been assembled? I don't think so, and if they haven't SCS JV won't be delivering tunnel segments. There is also a PDF with a bit more detail, which includes:
These deliveries will consist of large loads and are expected to arrive on site at around 10pm, outside our core working hours. This is to ensure that there is reduced traffic flow on designated routes to help minimise any disruption to the road network.

Deliveries will:
• Be escorted by private escort vehicles and a police convoy.
• Conveys will consist of a maximum of three heavy load trucks.
Where possible, we will try to combine deliveries to limit the number of times they occur.
That's a TBM (or two) arriving in bits, surely?

Note that the site is called "Old Oak Station site on Old Oak Common Lane", not "Victoria Road Crossover Box". There's a map on the PDF that confirms the entry point is eastward off Old Oak Common Lane.
 
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Doesn't the WCML to Old Oak logistic tunnel emerge near the eastern end of the station box? Which also happens to be the end that is still being dug out hence it might not be possible to bring segments through until after the dig out of the box is complete (which is a few months off)?
 

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The web page does say tunnel segments in one place and TBM segments in another. But have the TBMs already been assembled? I don't think so, and if they haven't SCS JV won't be delivering tunnel segments. There is also a PDF with a bit more detail, which includes:

That's a TBM (or two) arriving in bits, surely?

Note that the site is called "Old Oak Station site on Old Oak Common Lane", not "Victoria Road Crossover Box". There's a map on the PDF that confirms the entry point is eastward off Old Oak Common Lane.
I did wonder if this was the TBMs for Euston tunnels, rather than tunnel lining segments, especially as it mentioned upto 3 lorries in convoy and private and police escort.

I am guessing therefore it is just selected dates over the 4 months, and each part will need to be moved forward before next part of TBM is delivered and lowered down the hole.

From memory Euston TBMs will be starting early 2025 or spring 2025 (presumably when crews have finished another tunnel and can move over)
 

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I did wonder if this was the TBMs for Euston tunnels, rather than tunnel lining segments, especially as it mentioned upto 3 lorries in convoy and private and police escort.

I am guessing therefore it is just selected dates over the 4 months, and each part will need to be moved forward before next part of TBM is delivered and lowered down the hole.

From memory Euston TBMs will be starting early 2025 or spring 2025 (presumably when crews have finished another tunnel and can move over)

I'm pretty sure those will be deliveries of the parts of the TBMs which will dig Euston tunnels.

Deliveries of tunnel's segments don't require police escort as they fit on standard lorry.
 

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This was in Rail Engineer's version of the status all the tunnelling work in March 2024:
Following the government’s Network North announcement in October, it is considering alternative funding arrangements to construct the 7.3km twin bore tunnels between Old Oak Common (OOC) and Euston, which have 14 cross passages and two ventilation shafts.

Nevertheless, the two TBMs required, costing tens of millions of pounds, have already been procured. These are earth pressure balance (EPB) TBMs with a cutting head of 8.5 metres diameter. EPB TBMs operate in soft ground conditions by mixing the excavated material into a paste which is injected into the evacuation chamber behind the cutters so that the chamber pressure balances that of the surrounding soil and groundwater.

This year, these machines will be placed at the end of the OOC station box ready to start excavating the 7.3km tunnel to Euston. HS2 anticipates that this tunnelling will start in 2026. The final fitting out of OOC station cannot be completed until the Euston tunnel TBMs have tunnelled out of the OOC box. Furthermore, concrete segments are supplied to the TBMs through the OCC box which also receives spoil from the TBMs.

This is possible due to the construction of the Atlas Road logistics tunnel which is another significant cost already incurred to support the Euston tunnelling. This is a 6.2-metre-diameter, 853-metre-long tunnel, from the OOC station box to the HS2 rail logistics hub at Willesden.

The Atlas Road tunnel TBM was one that had been refurbished by Herrenknecht after it had bored two Crossrail tunnels. It was named Lydia, after local school teacher Lydia Gandaa who launched it from HS2’s Atlas Road site in April 2023. It completed its bore by breaking into the OOC box in January.

This tunnel services both the Northolt East and Euston tunnels. It will have a conveyor to take the excavated London clay to HS2’s logistics hub when it will be taken by rail for reuse at sites in Kent, Rugby, and Cambridge. Assuming the Euston tunnels are built, over 83,000 tunnel segments manufactured at SRABAG’s Hartlepool plant will be delivered by train to the logistics hub and then through the logistic tunnel to the TBMs.

Obviously a lot has changed even since then, but as the TBMs were probably built and ready to be shipped by then, it would need a another clear decision to do something else for that to not happen. (Yes, I can see a couple of silly errors in that piece.)
 

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This was in Rail Engineer's version of the status all the tunnelling work in March 2024:


Obviously a lot has changed even since then, but as the TBMs were probably built and ready to be shipped by then, it would need a another clear decision to do something else for that to not happen. (Yes, I can see a couple of silly errors in that piece.)

From memory, I am sure it was stated that the TBMs had to be driven a few hundred metres towards Euston, otherwise back of TBM would still be in eastern part of Old Oak station box, and wouldn't be able to lack the track near end of platforms.

Of course don't want muck being removed at one end of nice new shiny station either so getting drives done becomes no brainer now that Euston is committed (in some form, even if design is still being debated)
 

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From memory, I am sure it was stated that the TBMs had to be driven a few hundred metres towards Euston, otherwise back of TBM would still be in eastern part of Old Oak station box, and wouldn't be able to lack the track near end of platforms.

Of course don't want muck being removed at one end of nice new shiny station either so getting drives done becomes no brainer now that Euston is committed (in some form, even if design is still being debated)
I went to an open day at Old Oak Common back in March (mainly a community engagement day aimed at local residents) to see a presentation on HS2, the recently completed work and what would be happening over the next few months. Afterwards we were taken up to the balcony that overlooks the site from the large office block to meet some of the engineers and I asked that question. The engineer I talked to was working on the GWR station side of the site but was quite confident that the TBMs would fit in the eastern excavated box, only taking up the space of the throat to the station and not the station/platform area itself. He explained that's why the eastern end of the box had been excavated ahead of some of the middle sections to allow the TBMs to be lowered down and encased within the box as well as to receive the logistical TBM from Atlas Road which was in the process of being removed on my visit. I would assume that if the Euston TBMs did have to drive a little way in and then stop, they could become stuck if they are left in the same place for several months.
 

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Important milestone at Old Oak Common:




Construction of HS2’s new station in west London, Old Oak Common, has moved into a new phase as workers complete the excavation of the huge underground box structure.

The Old Oak Common excavation has taken three years, after permanent construction to form the walls of the box began in June 2021.

The underground box has a 1.12-mile fibre-reinforced concrete diaphragm wall around it, and 1.3m tonnes of London Clay has been removed from inside.

Join venture contractor Balfour Beatty Vinci Systra (BBVS JV), working with their specialist structures contractor Expanded, completed the excavation section by section within the box, starting from the west and the east sides of the structure and meeting in the middle.

The box is 20 metres deep and a reinforced concrete base slab up to two metres in depth is being poured throughout. Some 32,000 tonnes of steel rebar, assembled by hand on site, has been used in the box alongside 160 reinforced concrete columns that have been installed inside the outer wall to help support the structure.

Now the box has been full excavated, the team will be working to pour the final sections of base slab to fully complete the box.

The east end of the underground box has been handed over to HS2’s London Tunnels contractor, Skanska Costain Strabag (SCS JV), which is are preparing to construct HS2’s running tunnel to Euston. Two giant boring machines will be lowered into the underground box later this year, before the station team commencing building the roof structure of the super-hub station. Timings and funding for the construction of the Euston Tunnel are subject to government decisions that have yet to be made.

Six 450-metre platforms will be constructed in the underground box for HS2 services. Above ground, eight further platforms are being built, and will be served by the Elizabeth Line, Great Western Mainline services and the Heathrow Express.


Final-stages-of-excavation-of-OOC-box-June-2024.jpg


Progress-in-OOC-Box-as-excavation-is-complete.jpg
 

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The video ends with the apprentice saying he was celebrating "the removal of the last piece of muck" from the OOC station excavation. ;)
 

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HS2 New FPV (first person view) fly through of Old Oak Common station, lot of concreting activity at floor level, and can see also see what look like rectangular floor sections with ducts through them.

 

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HS2 New FPV (first person view) fly through of Old Oak Common station, lot of concreting activity at floor level, and can see also see what look like rectangular floor sections with ducts through them.

Excellent drone flying and doesn't seem that deep presumably a superstructure to go on at surface level
 

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HS2 New FPV (first person view) fly through of Old Oak Common station, lot of concreting activity at floor level, and can see also see what look like rectangular floor sections with ducts through them.


There are also glimpses of the logistics tunnel portal.
 

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Excellent drone flying and doesn't seem that deep presumably a superstructure to go on at surface level
Yes. Loads of superstructure for getting up to the level required for ground level entry/exit, and then higher for interchange with the 8 surface platforms, which are all accessed from above their existing track level. Only the HS2 platforms themselves are underground. If you follow the link in post #5 there’s an early cross-section render that gives the general idea..
 

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Have you noticed some in the press seem to scoff that the drilling machines for the Euston tunnel are to be buried. If they don't put them in the ground now, I doubt they will ever be able to.
 

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Have you noticed some in the press seem to scoff that the drilling machines for the Euston tunnel are to be buried. If they don't put them in the ground now, I doubt they will ever be able to.

They need to be assembled first, which will be done over the coming months for tunneling to commence next year as already confirmed by HS2.
 
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Have you noticed some in the press seem to scoff that the drilling machines for the Euston tunnel are to be buried. If they don't put them in the ground now, I doubt they will ever be able to.

We should expect more from the press, but "these machines are being buried and they may never be used!" was true until fairly recently what with the previous government sending a lot of mixed signals about Euston. Luckily the current government seems to be a lot more definitive that HS2 will reach Euston at some point.
 

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We should expect more from the press, but "these machines are being buried and they may never be used!" was true until fairly recently what with the previous government sending a lot of mixed signals about Euston. Luckily the current government seems to be a lot more definitive that HS2 will reach Euston at some point.
Yet, even before the General Election the construction team were saying when tunneling would commence in 2025.
 

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Yet, even before the General Election the construction team were saying when tunneling would commence in 2025.
The previous government were doing a lot of avoiding firm commitment so stuff that would almost certainly happen anyway so it didn't hit the blue book... (and they could promise tax cuts in the future)
 

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The previous government were doing a lot of avoiding firm commitment so stuff that would almost certainly happen anyway so it didn't hit the blue book... (and they could promise tax cuts in the future)
Yes, plenty of spin.
 

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Yes, plenty of spin.
And the newspapers this morning reporting that £19-20bn blackhole* found (so far) on current confirmed activities this FY to be announced by the chancellor shortly.

*which will include contingency amounts
 

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And the newspapers this morning reporting that £19-20bn blackhole* found (so far) on current confirmed activities this FY to be announced by the chancellor shortly.
*which will include contingency amounts
I think the £20 billion is more likely to be revenue shortfall than capital spend, ie in railway terms TOC/NR subsidies rather than building new lines.
The true state of HS2 cost to completion is yet to emerge, of course.
 

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