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Makes sense, High Peak's depot is much closer to Castleton (approx 7 miles) than it is to Baslow (for the 170).
Hopefully in time they will reinstate the 1736 ex Sheffield journey that Hulleys withdrew to get the bus back to the right end of the route for the depot.
JKP
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Seems a lot of dead mileage though as I do not think High Peak have any other routes into Sheffield? I note that Bradwell residents are already complaining that the first journey ex Castleton does not serve the village. There is though a 257 at 0658NS to Sheffield so perhaps this is understandable.
At present yes, I see the first inbound working arrives in Sheffield 4 minutes after the first outbound working departs - presume Hulleys used to work those trips on to/off of 257s.
Over time I'm sure High Peak will make changes to the timetable to make the vehicle and driver duties as efficient as possible
If Stagecoach did that I think someone at Centrebus/High Peak would self-combust!
Flange Squeal
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Those comments have now been responded to saying that it has been "arranged with the depot" for that journey to do that.
Hulley's 172 journeys look like a nightmare to run standalone. At Castleton after the 0736 start, the other journeys have a 7 min stand time, which is fine. The 1448 does only go to Hathersage and then 1516 dead to depot (early finish?).
At Sheffield the 0846 is covered by the 0840 arrival, but the 10.36 has no arrival so dead from depot. The 1101 and 1301 form the 1136 and 1336 which is fine. The 1401 arrival has to wait until 15:36 departure and the 1816 arrival is empty to depot. That makes a lot of dead milage and hanging around.
First's journeys all turn at Castleton with about a 10 min stand, but at Sheffield arrive after the next departure and so must interwork with other other routes. Fine if you can make it work.
Discussion of a re-write may beneficial.
At Sheffield the 0846 is covered by the 0840 arrival, but the 10.36 has no arrival so dead from depot. The 1101 and 1301 form the 1136 and 1336 which is fine. The 1401 arrival has to wait until 15:36 departure and the 1816 arrival is empty to depot. That makes a lot of dead milage and hanging around.
First's journeys all turn at Castleton with about a 10 min stand, but at Sheffield arrive after the next departure and so must interwork with other other routes. Fine if you can make it work.
Discussion of a re-write may beneficial.
But then the current school route omits certain villages. You'd need to work out loadings from the different places of course, but seems more sensible in a way to have something which serves all options.
Omnidekkalover
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Hulleys have now been removed from bustimes.org
True, but I'm sure DCC would support a short notice variation if there was good reason for it.
I guess the question long term is whether they are able to acquire a vehicle large enough. I did read that they'd been given until Saturday to do this - which seems very short notice, but also if they are happy to run a duplicate until they can get something then also unnecessary?
I don't think I have seen it on here.
Alfred V Crofts also resigned as a director of SCR Ticketing Co Ltd on 12 March 2025.
SCR trade as TravelMaster and run Derbyshire Wayfarer tickets, similar tickets in South Yorkshire and other things.
Remember that a lot of the legal processes in setting up a bus company and closing down any business are very slow. Companies House may show Hulley's as an active company for another good 2 years before it changes to Dissolved.
Applying for a new O licence requires publication in a weekly N&P, then a wait of a few weeks for public comment, before the TC even takes a look at the application. The Traffic Commissioner is a specialist lawyer.
The law is never quite what us ordinary people think. Unpleasantries are OK, but various actions to defraud are not. A year or so will tell.
Alfred V Crofts also resigned as a director of SCR Ticketing Co Ltd on 12 March 2025.
SCR trade as TravelMaster and run Derbyshire Wayfarer tickets, similar tickets in South Yorkshire and other things.
Remember that a lot of the legal processes in setting up a bus company and closing down any business are very slow. Companies House may show Hulley's as an active company for another good 2 years before it changes to Dissolved.
Applying for a new O licence requires publication in a weekly N&P, then a wait of a few weeks for public comment, before the TC even takes a look at the application. The Traffic Commissioner is a specialist lawyer.
The law is never quite what us ordinary people think. Unpleasantries are OK, but various actions to defraud are not. A year or so will tell.
Its an 0850 arrival not 0840 weekdays on High Peaks timetable so its the 0846 that is seemingly dead from the depot unless their are any private contracts High Peak work which may balance matters
Looks ripe for a relatively quick timetable change
I am not in the bus trade at all but when you look at the current state of things today, Spital, Hady, Holymoorside, Wingerworth, Pilsley, Stonebroom and Morton all remain without a bus service at present because they were on a commercial route.
When does it come to the point Derbyshire Council might step in to look to support services if no one steps in commercially? These arent small villages and I would assume all have social needs from Student to OAP, there also seemed to be a fair few paying passengers in between
When does it come to the point Derbyshire Council might step in to look to support services if no one steps in commercially? These arent small villages and I would assume all have social needs from Student to OAP, there also seemed to be a fair few paying passengers in between
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ChrisC
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The situation this week concerning Hulleys has happened with very little notice. Derbyshire County Council have worked hard and quickly to keep as many routes running as possible with new operators. However, the situation with the villages along the 55 route being left without buses has happened in Derbyshire before.
Trent Barton withdrew the Amberline and 141 bus services back in September 2022. This was a little different in the fact that they gave around 2 months notice. After lots of pressure from local councillors, MP’s and the general public, Nottinghamshire County Council agreed to subsidise the 141 route, which runs wholly within Nottinghamshire. Stagecoach Mansfield took over the running of the route to the same timetable. However, Derbyshire County Council did not agree to subsidise the Amberline route within Derbyshire and it was withdrawn between Heanor and Derby. A number of villages including Horsley and Horsley Woodhouse were left with no buses. Although some parts of the route eventually got a 2 hourly bus by diverting the 138 between Heanor and Belper, most of the large village of Horsley Woodhouse still has no bus service and the infrequent 138 does not provide the previous link into Derby which many people relied on.
tram21
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They said they have purchased new vehicles on a comment to someone.
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zkyx02
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2 ‘25’ plate MMCs arrived yesterday, meaning citaros can be used on 271/2s like today 804/9 are planned to be used.
One factor may be simple that High Peak don't know the area, so are going on with times they know are established. Once things settle down they will almost certainly revise things - as they would likely have done with the 170 after a couple of months of experience running it.
TheGrandWazoo
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Really?
Alternatively, it could be viewed that at least HP are prepared to be agile in seizing opportunities.
They've taken on the timetable largely as is... I'm sure they'll rationalise things once they have the opportunity.
Robertj21a
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As part of the Centrebus group they could call on D&G, Chaserider or Centrebus itself if necessary.
Russel
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E200 or E400 MMC?
m79900
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E200. Not sure what length.
zkyx02
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8.9m so the smallest length available, only on temp loan currently from Leicester (I believe) eVoRas are due for high peak soon, hopefully 2 will appear in orange
Trainman40083
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Or maybe the EvoRas will be in Skyline livery, to replace the Versas.
Russel
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What did Hulleys use on the 272?
Given First use deckers, could E200s turn out to be too small over time?
Trainman40083
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I saw both EvoRas and Enviro 400s on it, but I'd imagine Enviro 200s also worked it
Russel
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Consistency never was Hulleys strong point.
Trainman40083
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Just like wheel of fortune. You never knew what would appear.
zkyx02
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No maybe about it, 2 are due for skyline & hopefully 2 might appear in orange.
py_megapixel
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Didn't think there were Versas on Skyline? I thought it was a mixture of older Citaros and newer Enviro 200s
woodhouse122
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The Streetlite that Hulleys had on loan was working the Sheffield connect SC1 service today