IEP criticism by Roger Ford

[RichmondCommu]

On the Mk 4's you generally get people perching in the vestibule. Some of them have prams and whatnot whilt others might be going a shorter distance. Since there's plenty of room it's not really an inconvenience.

What's the shortest distance on the ECML? Stevenage to the 'Cross which I guess is around 20 minutes. Push chairs are one thing as it takes a lot of effort to get a infant out of their pram (or at least it can do) but to stand for 20 minutes on a Intercity journey when there are seats available is just silly.

 

[ainsworth74]

On the Mk 4's you generally get people perching in the vestibule. Some of them have prams and whatnot whilt others might be going a shorter distance. Since there's plenty of room it's not really an inconvenience.

Hello! *waves*

Quite regularly just pick a spot in a vestibule on a Mk4 when the train is busy and I'm just doing a hop between Darlington and York (about 30 minutes) rather than faffing finding a seat.

 

[D365]

What's the shortest distance on the ECML? Stevenage to the 'Cross which I guess is around 20 minutes. Push chairs are one thing as it takes a lot of effort to get a infant out of their pram (or at least it can do) but to stand for 20 minutes on a Intercity journey when there are seats available is just silly.

Maybe those people have office jobs, are driving or are otherwise sitting around all day anyway.

 

[yorksrob]

What's the shortest distance on the ECML? Stevenage to the 'Cross which I guess is around 20 minutes. Push chairs are one thing as it takes a lot of effort to get a infant out of their pram (or at least it can do) but to stand for 20 minutes on a Intercity journey when there are seats available is just silly.

It's usually Leeds-Wakefield-Doncaster I observe the phenomenum. Personally I don't have any truck with standing, but some seem to.

 

[RichmondCommu]

Maybe those people have office jobs, are driving or are otherwise sitting around all day anyway.

I have an office job but I still want a seat in return for giving SWT a kings ransom!

 

[yorksrob]

Hello! *waves*

Quite regularly just pick a spot in a vestibule on a Mk4 when the train is busy and I'm just doing a hop between Darlington and York (about 30 minutes) rather than faffing finding a seat.

Hello Ainsworth74 *waves back*.

I suppose there's a sort of critical mass where a carriage might not be entirely full but a passenger might not think it worth going through and checking all the reservation labels for the gaps.

 

[D365]

I have an office job but I still want a seat in return for giving SWT a kings ransom!

Oh I was thinking more along the lines of an occasional traveller

 

[RichmondCommu]

Oh I was thinking more along the lines of an occasional traveller

OK but I'm not sure what kind of difference that would make.

 

[route:oxford]

What's the shortest distance on the ECML? Stevenage to the 'Cross which I guess is around 20 minutes. Push chairs are one thing as it takes a lot of effort to get a infant out of their pram (or at least it can do) but to stand for 20 minutes on a Intercity journey when there are seats available is just silly.

Haymarket to Waverley is the usual shortest journey when buying a point earning focussed journey on the ECML.

 

[Class 170101]

For GWR, it will be 32 out of 36 5 cars and 17 out of 21 9 cars.

89% and 81% availability respectively. I wouldn't consider the latter that great for a modern train.

Or the GWML, the middle seat does get used a lot.

Don't forget the 165s / 166s are slightly wider than most other Rolling Stock and is making use the the wider loading gauge on GW.

 

[RichmondCommu]

Haymarket to Waverley is the usual shortest journey when buying a point earning focussed journey on the ECML.

Ah yes! I'd forgotten all about that!

 

[urpert]

Hello Ainsworth74 *waves back*.

I suppose there's a sort of critical mass where a carriage might not be entirely full but a passenger might not think it worth going through and checking all the reservation labels for the gaps.

Perhaps we should ask the Leader of the Opposition.

 

[AnonymousUser1]

What's the shortest distance on the ECML? Stevenage to the 'Cross which I guess is around 20 minutes. Push chairs are one thing as it takes a lot of effort to get a infant out of their pram (or at least it can do) but to stand for 20 minutes on a Intercity journey when there are seats available is just silly.

Leeds to Wakey Westgate ? fastest train apparently 11minutes

 

[anti-pacer]

Leeds to Wakey Westgate ? fastest train apparently 11minutes

And Wakefield Westgate to Doncaster is only 15.

There are other short journeys too such as Doncaster-Retford, Retford-Newark, and Newark-Grantham that are all under 20 mins.

 

[AnonymousUser1]

And Wakefield Westgate to Doncaster is only 15.

There are other short journeys too such as Doncaster-Retford, Retford-Newark, and Newark-Grantham that are all under 20 mins.

and for the latter 3 VTEC and the ECML is primary way of doing the journey

where the Leeds - W Westgate - Doncaster also has the Northern stopping service

 

[43096]

Don't forget the 165s / 166s are slightly wider than most other Rolling Stock and is making use the the wider loading gauge on GW.

165/166 are wider than other 23m length stock, but basically the same as 20m length (e.g. Mark 1s). In effect they are C3 gauge length and C1 gauge width - it's only a matter of a few cm.

In practice that means they are same width as a 365 or 465, but 3m longer, so the seats across argument is irrelevant as a 465 had the same width for 2+3 seating.