bussnapperwm
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Same here. I was a Labour voter, but no longerI would spoil the paper. I've had enough of the whole sick corrupt lot of them now.
Same here. I was a Labour voter, but no longerI would spoil the paper. I've had enough of the whole sick corrupt lot of them now.
Michael Gove is one of the few members of the Cabinet with any serious ability, the majority of whom are there because of their support for Boris Johnson and his policies. Gove is there because he's a threat to Boris (because he wants his job and has the ability to do it) and therefore is better off being inside the Cabinet so that he can be watched rather than being a threat from the back benches.
I don't trust Michael Gove any more than I trust Boris Johnson, which is not at all.
But I do think he's a viable contender to replace Boris Johnson as leader of the Conservative party and Prime Minister.
This would be good, I've seen a lot of labour comments but I'd like to see the percentage on this forum.Oh; I thought there was going to be a poll here!
Is there any concrete evidence in this article? I stopped reading after the word 'believe' as that makes it speculation not fact.One infected person spread the virus to 71 others:
Woman infects 71 people with coronavirus after one lift trip
Researchers believe asymptomatic patient contaminated facilities in tower blockwww.independent.co.uk
It's not hyperbolic to say that actions affect others.
If the person suspected isn't the spreader then there is at least one unknown spreader out there. Either way the virus can spread very easily even when people are taking precautions.Is there any concrete evidence in this article? I stopped reading after the word 'believe' as that makes it speculation not fact.
Michael Gove is one of the few members of the Cabinet with any serious ability, the majority of whom are there because of their support for Boris Johnson and his policies. Gove is there because he's a threat to Boris (because he wants his job and has the ability to do it) and therefore is better off being inside the Cabinet so that he can be watched rather than being a threat from the back benches.
I don't trust Michael Gove any more than I trust Boris Johnson, which is not at all.
But I do think he's a viable contender to replace Boris Johnson as leader of the Conservative party and Prime Minister.
No. No. No. And a thousand times no.I would go with Michael Gove.
It's not worth bothering with until the whole Brexit farce is played out and we see the results of both that and Covid 19 next year.
The Tories are just getting away with it at the moment, making big policy decisions without any proper challenge.
Labour can only be reactive, and they won't put up a new set of policies for a couple of years yet, until the next election looms.
Starmer is competent and steady, but his time hasn't come yet.
And the far left is still lurking in the background.
The sane voices like Alan Johnson, Vince Cable and Ken Clarke are long gone, and I can't see their replacements as senior ministers.
Know your enemy!That’s the first time I’ve ever heard anything vaguely positive about Gove. In my opinion he is one of the worst of the current Tory government.
The ideal situation for me would be a Conservative government with Sir Keir Starmer as prime minister!
Although I've been impressed with his performance at PMQs, beneath the surface the Labour party is still a ragbag of PC feminists and student activists who loathe patriotic white middle class males, which means I couldn't vote Labour with a clear conscience. But then I couldn't vote Tory either due to their hypocrisy and handling of the Coronavirus pandemic. And realistically there are no other parties who could ever stand a chance of forming a government.
Also, it's not that hard to look good when you compare him with Dominic Raab, Priti Patel, Gavin Williamson, to name but a few. Is it?That’s the first time I’ve ever heard anything vaguely positive about Gove. In my opinion he is one of the worst of the current Tory government.
Do you not think Sajid Javid has a chance? Either way it would be great to see a BAME person become PM - it really would imho.---- and Sunak is strong and is blatantly going to be the next Tory leader.
But Gove and Cummings have to go -right?
Gove is actually a very good orator. He's done some good speeches. But that's about it. I would in no way ever support a government in which he was leader. But I think it's highly unlikely that it could ever get to that stage. Sunak is a possibility but I still wouldn't vote Conservative.No. No. No. And a thousand times no.
Gove is a key figure within the Vote Leave crowd who act as though they can combat a virus by repeating three word slogans.
Three word slogans and lies won them the referendum, but only a complete idiot could believe that the virus takes any notice of them.
[Listed in order of seniority] Cummings, Johnson, and Gove have all got to go, along with the rest of their Vote Leave cronies.
Possibly and I actually like him. He stood up to Johnson when him and Cummings tried to interfere and he's not stupid.Do you not think Sajid Javid has a chance? Either way it would be great to see a BAME person become PM - it really would imho.
I'd place Starmer as very much centre, centre-left at a push but certainly not leftwing. Although I don't want another Conservative government I agree that there remains some issues within the Labour party. But we're never going to get it perfect, and as you say others can't form a government - Lib Dems lost far too much of their vote share to regain it that quickly - so Labour gets my vote. Not that it really matters anyway, my constituency hasn't been Conservative for years.The ideal situation for me would be a Conservative government with Sir Keir Starmer as prime minister!
I'm convinced Starmer is a natural Tory; he's from a respectable middle class background with a good education and a background in law and of course he's accepted a knighthood, which no true socialist ever would do.
Although I've been impressed with his performance at PMQs, beneath the surface the Labour party is still a ragbag of PC feminists and student activists who loathe patriotic white middle class males, which means I couldn't vote Labour with a clear conscience. But then I couldn't vote Tory either due to their hypocrisy and handling of the Coronavirus pandemic. And realistically there are no other parties who could ever stand a chance of forming a government.
That’s the first time I’ve ever heard anything vaguely positive about Gove. In my opinion he is one of the worst of the current Tory government.
I'd almost forgotten about him. Yes he'd be a good shout, and he is also untainted by this crisis while still being a heavyweight in government terms.Do you not think Sajid Javid has a chance? Either way it would be great to see a BAME person become PM - it really would imho.
The ideal situation for me would be a Conservative government with Sir Keir Starmer as prime minister!
Out of interest, why do you think that? Personally I’m neutral on him.
Mainly his hypocrisy when it comes to his cocaine use, the rubbish he spoke about Brexit, and what he did to education.
And his bloody wife would fancy the Cummings role.
And his bloody wife would fancy the Cummings role.
The R rate is an estimated average across the country, it doesn't mean that any given case can't exceed that, in fact around half will inevitably infect more than the average.Not if the current R rate is to be believed (not that means anything). I’m also not sure how much credence I’d lend any kind of research coming out of China.
Even assuming that figure were true, so what? The *vast* majority of those who contract this virus suffer either no symptoms, or very mild symptoms.
But it is hyperbolic to say “your choice can kill me”, in respect of someone you don’t know and will most likely never meet! Normal life has been suspended in this country, as a result of a virus that is only marginally more lethal than a bad flu season.
It’s normal for 50,000 people to die per day in this country. We’ve had fewer deaths than that “with” (not necessarily due to) Covid, in several months. Yet the government has reacted to this virus as if we had a new, incurable version of the bubonic plague (which killed 1/3 of the population, in just one wave, it my memory is correct).
Yet we’ve trampled over civil liberties, spent the equivalent of the national GDP in three months, sent thousands of cancer patients home to die, and are now heading for the worst recession for 300 years...
Does any of that seem rational to you?
Not if the current R rate is to be believed (not that means anything). I’m also not sure how much credence I’d lend any kind of research coming out of China.
Even assuming that figure were true, so what? The *vast* majority of those who contract this virus suffer either no symptoms, or very mild symptoms.
But it is hyperbolic to say “your choice can kill me”, in respect of someone you don’t know and will most likely never meet! Normal life has been suspended in this country, as a result of a virus that is only marginally more lethal than a bad flu season.
It’s normal for 50,000 people to die per day in this country. We’ve had fewer deaths than that “with” (not necessarily due to) Covid, in several months. Yet the government has reacted to this virus as if we had a new, incurable version of the bubonic plague (which killed 1/3 of the population, in just one wave, it my memory is correct).
Yet we’ve trampled over civil liberties, spent the equivalent of the national GDP in three months, sent thousands of cancer patients home to die, and are now heading for the worst recession for 300 years...
Does any of that seem rational to you?
Adding a second voice to this, I disliked him as education secretary, he pushed through some very controversial and (in my opinion) poorly judged changes to schooling, including his changes to GCSEs and Free Schools, and his attempt to re-write the curriculum in his own way. An opinion article in the independent summed up the feeling that was amongst teachers I've spoken to in the last few years, and gave this quote (https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...-him-do-the-same-to-the-country-a7115381.html):Out of interest, why do you think that? Personally I’m neutral on him.
After just six years in teaching I am walking away from the profession altogether and I’m not alone. 50,000 teachers left in 2015 and a recent survey found that nearly 50 per cent of teachers are considering leaving in the next five years. This is not a legacy Michael Gove should be proud of.