Inconsiderate Parking at Stations

[KTHV]

Technically this comes under station infrastructure - but an issue I absolutely hate to see.

I regularly travel back to Worcester Shrub Hill after work in the evenings.

The station roadway outside operates on a one way system with a big car park - ample roadside bays and a few spaces for 20 minute stopping to pick up and drop off.

It also has 4 spaces for those passengers who have Blue Badges for disabled parking.

I regularly come out of the station to see non badge holders parked in these spaces (some cars left unattended - some with drivers in who obviously have parked up to pick someone up off a later service).

Several times I've seen arguments between non holders parked in these spaces and those with badges who cannot use the space due to that issue.

On occasions I have also seen drivers who - seeing there are no free drop off spaces left - will just park in the middle of the roadway - thereby causing an obstruction to those trying to leave the station.

I've tried to highlight it to LM - who state to email the general Comments address - to which I've never had a reply or an acknowledgment.

Any thoughts on if anything can be done to stop such a selfish practice?


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[Joseph_Locke]

Technically this comes under station infrastructure - but an issue I absolutely hate to see.

I regularly travel back to Worcester Shrub Hill after work in the evenings.

The station roadway outside operates on a one way system with a big car park - ample roadside bays and a few spaces for 20 minute stopping to pick up and drop off.

It also has 4 spaces for those passengers who have Blue Badges for disabled parking.

I regularly come out of the station to see non badge holders parked in these spaces (some cars left unattended - some with drivers in who obviously have parked up to pick someone up off a later service).

Several times I've seen arguments between non holders parked in these spaces and those with badges who cannot use the space due to that issue.

On occasions I have also seen drivers who - seeing there are no free drop off spaces left - will just park in the middle of the roadway - thereby causing an obstruction to those trying to leave the station.

I've tried to highlight it to LM - who state to email the general Comments address - to which I've never had a reply or an acknowledgment.

Any thoughts on if anything can be done to stop such a selfish practice?


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Probably only armed enforcement or Austrian-style on-site crushing of cars.

 

[miami]

Probably only armed enforcement or Austrian-style on-site crushing of cars.

With or without the driver in?

Disapointing that there aren't enough pickup/dropoff spaces at the station.

 

[Tim R-T-C]

Sadly pretty standard everywhere, nothing they can really do bar having a full time attendant and even they will struggle without having any authority to move people along. A friend of mine worked at a supermarket carpark and when challenging people misusing the disabled and family spots would often just get told where to get off.

Fortunately we don't seem to have yet full adopted the American custom of people deliberately parking across two or even four spaces, a routine habit for people with "nice" cars, presumably to avoid getting dinged. Although sometimes passers by might take slight umbrage...

 

[thejuggler]

Its a private car park, blue badge rules don't apply.

Disabled spaces are provided for anyone who meets the requirements of the Equality Act, many of whom are not eligible for a blue badge.

 

[3141]

Regrettably, inconsiderate parking occurs anywhere.

At Overton where I live about two thirds of the station parking is on private land which isn't marked out. It doesn't take much intelligence to realise that by parking the same distance from the next car as you would if the spaces were marked, you'll enable more cars to make use if the land available, but every day there are half a dozen cars which their owners have left two thirds of a car's width from the next one, which ultimately reduced the car park's capacity by a couples of vehicles.

 

[KTHV]

Its a private car park, blue badge rules don't apply.

Disabled spaces are provided for anyone who meets the requirements of the Equality Act, many of whom are not eligible for a blue badge.

Even if there is visible signage on the wall at the end of each bay stating "Blue Badge Holders Only"?

 

[JohnR]

The thing that really annoys me is people waiting in the car park to collect people, and thereby blocking people who are trying to get OUT of the car park from doing so. Just because it will be a few yards closer to the train for their passenger.

 

[thejuggler]

Even if there is visible signage on the wall at the end of each bay stating "Blue Badge Holders Only"?

Even if the signs say so. Blue badges only apply to on street parking.

 

[thenorthern]

People parking on the road outside stations to avoid is something that can frustrate me as I can see why people do it but when there are cars parked on both sides and sometimes you have to get a bus down to the station its a bit crowded.

With most private parking tickets the car park operator likes to use big fancy words on Parking Charge Notices (penalty fines) but legally they are very hard to enforce and most people just ignore them because of that. Are parking penalty tickets in station car parks more enforceable or not?

 

[dcsprior]

Whilst it may be inconsiderate, is it "parking"?

I thought you weren't technically parking if you remained in the car (so sitting on a double-yellow is legal so long as you're in the driving seat of the car and able to move it if required, compred with a double-red where waiting isn't allowed) - the OP seems to say the offending drivers here are still in their cars.

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[Tetchytyke]

Parking comes under the Railway Byelaws, so should be more enforceable than in a normal private car park.

If a car park is regularly snarled up due to cars collecting passengers, that is really a sign of bad car park design and management. See Newcastle's new short stay car park if you really want to see an example of utterly gormless design.

 

[BestWestern]

Parking comes under the Railway Byelaws, so should be more enforceable than in a normal private car park.

If a car park is regularly snarled up due to cars collecting passengers, that is really a sign of bad car park design and management. See Newcastle's new short stay car park if you really want to see an example of utterly gormless design.

Does this still apply where car parks have been 'outsourced' to people such as Apcoa etc? It's still railway land I suppose, but the rules are then based on contract law with the parking operator, as with any private car park. Penalties are payable to the private company, with railway not in a position to intervene (even staff are told this). Does such an arrangement not supersede the byelways, as the railway has effectively surrendered management of the land to a third party?

 

[Master29]

APCOA the company that seem to be the company behind most of the car parks at stations across the South West never bother with any form of management of their car parks (which aren`t really theirs). Never see or known of parking tickets issued, not that they`ll be valid anyway.

 

[221129]

APCOA the company that seem to be the company behind most of the car parks at stations across the South West never bother with any form of management of their car parks (which aren`t really theirs). Never see or known of parking tickets issued, not that they`ll be valid anyway.

Must just be you, as I have seen many parking tickets issued by them and their staff out and about.

 

[spongsdad]

Even if the signs say so. Blue badges only apply to on street parking.

Not so. The conditions placed on blue badge parking apply only on street, but a car park owner or operator is entitled to put his own conditions into effect. Thus on some council car parks, blue badge holders have spaces allocated but may nevertheless be subject to the same charges as anyone else. But dont try parking in a blue badge space on a council car park if you are not displaying a badge or you will attract a Penalty charge notice as opposed to a Parking charge notice which is the risk in a private car park. The former has a much higher degree of enforceability.

 

[transmanche]

Whilst it may be inconsiderate, is it "parking"?

I thought you weren't technically parking if you remained in the car (so sitting on a double-yellow is legal so long as you're in the driving seat of the car and able to move it if required, compred with a double-red where waiting isn't allowed) - the OP seems to say the offending drivers here are still in their cars.

A common misconception. Double yellow lines don't mean 'no parking', they mean 'no waiting' - other than to stop to allow passengers to board/alight, or for loading purposes (unless separate loading restrictions apply). That doesn't mean waiting for passengers to arrive, it means literally the time taken to stop, let passengers board/alight and move off again.

On double red lines, you can't stop even to let passengers board or alight (except for blue badge holders and licensed taxis).

 

[route:oxford]

Fortunately we don't seem to have yet full adopted the American custom of people deliberately parking across two or even four spaces, a routine habit for people with "nice" cars, presumably to avoid getting dinged. Although sometimes passers by might take slight umbrage...

That happens here too.

I have a colleague with a battered old Fiat Panda who actively seeks them out and parks within mm of the drivers door. If his mate is about, he'll park his car on the other side too.

 

[Llanigraham]

That happens here too.

I have a colleague with a battered old Fiat Panda who actively seeks them out and parks within mm of the drivers door. If his mate is about, he'll park his car on the other side too.

I've got friends with very muddy Land Rovers who do similar.