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Is now the time to allow fully vaccinated people to be released from all restrictions?

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I think the time has come to allow fully vaccinated people to be able to go abroad and attend mass gatherings etc.The ones who choose not to be vaccinated will have to miss out.
 
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It's a difficult one.

I personally am in an age group that has not yet been offered either dose of the vaccine so feel a bit uncomfortable with this idea on the basis of age discrimination.

Although it seems daft not to allow fully vaccinated people to do what they want. I personally am a bit hesitant as to wether to get the vaccine or not, although I fully accept if I choose not to, any restrictions afterwards are entirely down to that choice. But at least let us make that decision wether to have it or not before imposing (in my opinion at least) discriminatory restrictions on us.
 

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I think the time has come to allow fully vaccinated people to be able to go abroad and attend mass gatherings etc.The ones who choose not to be vaccinated will have to miss out.
I can't accept that at all. I can understand the argument in America, where vaccination status seems to be pretty much independent of age, but not in this country where most unvaccinated people haven't had any choice in the matter. It'd be ridiculously unfair and would create a two tier society divided between old and young.
 

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No we have enough division in society already, i don't think its a good idea to go down the road of discriminating against people in this way, don't we have enough already?
 

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I think the time has come to allow fully vaccinated people to be able to go abroad and attend mass gatherings etc.The ones who choose not to be vaccinated will have to miss out.
Currently, there isn't a "choice" to not be vaccinated for anyone under 30. Additionally, if you've been vaccinated, then why does whether anyone else has coronavirus bother you? Isn't that why you chose to get the vaccine, so you didn't have to worry about all that?
 

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It's a difficult one.

I personally am in an age group that has not yet been offered either dose of the vaccine so feel a bit uncomfortable with this idea on the basis of age discrimination.

Although it seems daft not to allow fully vaccinated people to do what they want. I personally am a bit hesitant as to wether to get the vaccine or not, although I fully accept if I choose not to, any restrictions afterwards are entirely down to that choice. But at least let us make that decision wether to have it or not before imposing (in my opinion at least) discriminatory restrictions on us.

Why should being ostracised from society be an option? This is a dangerous path to go down and one we won’t come back from easily, I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again we have to live with Covid now much like the flu and stop this virtue signalling nonsense about getting vaccinated or not it’s a choice in a free society
 

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Additionally, if you've been vaccinated, then why does whether anyone else has coronavirus bother you? Isn't that why you chose to get the vaccine, so you didn't have to worry about all that?

It would be great if that was the case, get both your doses and mind your own business about everyone else. The problem is many who have been vaccinated still seem extremely worried about moving forward and have been absolutely battered into submission by scaremongering messaging. I've seen countless examples of it on social media, particularly with regards to public transport. Only yesterday someone on this forum said that despite having both doses they wouldn't want to board a crowded train.

It seems they want to be vaccinated themselves and want personal clarification about whether others are as well. Then they also want things such as public transport to continue at a reduced capacity in order to satisfy their own need and to hell with who has to pay for it all. Then if you have made your own decision not to have the vaccine they don't want you on that mode of public transport either, they cannot travel with the unclean.
 

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I think the time has come to allow fully vaccinated people to be able to go abroad and attend mass gatherings etc.The ones who choose not to be vaccinated will have to miss out.
It is a criminal offence for me to obtain the vaccine, even if I wish to take it.

How does this fit into the grand design?
 

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There might be a case for simplifying arrangements for those of us who have had 2 jabs - but we still represent a small risk to others and to ourselves (especially older people for whom the vaccine may have been less effective).

I am also reluctant to take advantage of my status because it appears to discriminate against younger adults who - im sone cases at least - seem to have had a worse experience of the pandemic than older people (or at least those of us who have survived!).

On the whole, I prefer to live in a society where the needs of others come first.
 

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It is a criminal offence for me to obtain the vaccine, even if I wish to take it.

How does this fit into the grand design?

I don't know the particulars of your case; but I would recommend talking to a solicitor/Citizens Advice if you want the vaccine.

I doubt Covid was envisaged when your sentence was passed. Restricting access to the vaccine is probably a breach of your human rights. I am sure a court would look favourably on an application for permission to have the Covid vaccine.
 

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I don't know the particulars of your case; but I would recommend talking to a solicitor/Citizens Advice if you want the vaccine.

I doubt Covid was envisaged when your sentence was passed. Restricting access to the vaccine is probably a breach of your human rights. I am sure a court would look favourably on an application for permission to have the Covid vaccine.
Lest we go astray, I am not a convict, but I am a solicitor!

Due to my age, I am not eligible for a vaccine on the NHS nor may I receive same privately.

And Citizens Advice can go hang as far as I am concerned.
 

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No we have enough division in society already, i don't think its a good idea to go down the road of discriminating against people in this way, don't we have enough already?
Totally agree. People should have choices. If they want to mix in crowded pubs great. If others dont no one is forcing them. but I would also be opposed to discriminating. What next if you are in a wheelchair you can’t socialise either.
 

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Due to my age, I am not eligible for a vaccine on the NHS nor may I receive same privately.

There is a difference between being ineligible for a vaccine and it being a criminal offence, unless I'm very much mistaken?

Also of note is that (countrywide) eligibility isn't necessarily rigidly applied when actually giving the doses. My local care commissioning group has been doing walk-ins for anyone 25 and over for the last week at least, and in some areas I'm aware of walk-ins being open to 18+. I hope those aged between 25 and 29 (and lower in some cases, where they've waited to the end of the day to try their luck with leftovers) won't be getting summons
 

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There is a difference between being ineligible for a vaccine and it being a criminal offence, unless I'm very much mistaken?

Also of note is that (countrywide) eligibility isn't necessarily rigidly applied when actually giving the doses. My local care commissioning group has been doing walk-ins for anyone 25 and over for the last week at least, and in some areas I'm aware of walk-ins being open to 18+. I hope those aged between 25 and 29 (and lower in some cases, where they've waited to the end of the day to try their luck with leftovers) won't be getting summons
Where the vaccine is offered that is of course different, but that is not the case where I live.

The point I was trying to make is that there can be no question of relaxing restrictions for those who have been vaccinated whilst there remain many people who cannot be vaccinated even if they wish to be.
 

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Lest we go astray, I am not a convict, but I am a solicitor!

Due to my age, I am not eligible for a vaccine on the NHS nor may I receive same privately.

And Citizens Advice can go hang as far as I am concerned.
Apologies. Surely it is only an offence if you lie about your age. Hopefully you will be eligible soon.
 

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Apologies. Surely it is only an offence if you lie about your age. Hopefully you will be eligible soon.
Don’t worry about it.

Alas, I’ve not had ‘the invite’ and the local doctors, &c. won’t administer ‘out of turn’ either so no joy.

Knowing my luck, I’ll be offered the one that gives you blood clots and is made of dead babies.
 

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I'm finding people are getting increasingly frustrated at there still being restrictions for the fully vaccinated.

Considering the meaning of the word vaccine is 'a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases', it does make a nonsense of the fact that, from what I hear, the 'vaccine' only means the effects if caught won't be as severe, in the smaller number cases that it would do.

Or am I not hearing it correctly?
 

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I'm finding people are getting increasingly frustrated at there still being restrictions for the fully vaccinated.

The difficulty is that younger people have spent over a year being subject to restrictions, essentially for the benefit of others (I accept that it's quite possible to form an argument that they might have been affected should the NHS have been overwhelmed).

I think it would be utterly incendiary to then find these others enjoying significant privilege to their continued detriment - for a purpose which hasn't really yet been explained as being anything more than to reassure some people who still claim to be terrified.

If we have people who are advocating restrictions until "everyone is vaccinated" (no doubt at which point the goalposts will be moved again, probably to "until there's been a round of booster vaccinations" or "until everyone's had the new improved vaccine which is proven to work on X variant"), then they need to suck it up and accept being restricted themselves.

In any case, the idea of having to go round proving vaccine status everywhere I find pretty unpleasant, though I suspect it's where we are heading.
 
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The difficulty is that younger people have spent over a year being subject to restrictions, essentially for the benefit of others (I accept that it's quite possible to form an argument that they might have been affected should the NHS have been overwhelmed).

I think it would be utterly incendiary to then find these others enjoying significant privilege to their continued detriment - for a purpose which hasn't really yet been explained as being anything more than to reassure some people who still claim to be terrified.

If we have people who are advocating restrictions until "everyone is vaccinated" (no doubt at which point the goalposts will be moved again, probably to "until there's been a round of booster vaccinations" or "until everyone's had the new improved vaccine which is proven to work on X variant", then they need to suck it up and accept being restricted themselves.

In any case, the idea of having to go round proving vaccine status everywhere I find pretty unpleasant, though I suspect it's where we are heading.

18 year olds can now get the vaccine in NI, sorry, for once we're ahead of England. And when I said people, I was referring to all over 18, who say what I say, is it a vaccine or not if even after one there still are restrictions?
 

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Cases are rising now due to the fact that an entire segement of the population remains unvaccinated - worsened when you consider people generally hang around with groups of others their age, meaning it still has many fairly unimpeded avenues to spread.

Now we are at Under 40's, it is ridiculous that everyone over 18 is not eligable for vaccination. Even if it took longer to roll it out to the remaining age groups, having the vaccine be distributed more evenly among the population would help considerably for spread and fairness, for a matter of fact.
 

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Whilst I disagree with the premise, as it isn’t fair on younger people, there’s a school of thought that if you aren’t going to allow fully vaccinated people to live unrestricted then you’re never going to allow anyone to.
 

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I think the time has come to allow fully vaccinated people to be able to go abroad and attend mass gatherings etc.The ones who choose not to be vaccinated will have to miss out.
Absolutely not.

We didn’t tell the older population to lock themselves away to allow the young to live normally during a pandemic that by and large did not affect them directly, so why should we now do this?


The difficulty is that younger people have spent over a year being subject to restrictions, essentially for the benefit of others (I accept that it's quite possible to form an argument that they might have been affected should the NHS have been overwhelmed).

I think it would be utterly incendiary to then find these others enjoying significant privilege to their continued detriment - for a purpose which hasn't really yet been explained as being anything more than to reassure some people who still claim to be terrified.

If we have people who are advocating restrictions until "everyone is vaccinated" (no doubt at which point the goalposts will be moved again, probably to "until there's been a round of booster vaccinations" or "until everyone's had the new improved vaccine which is proven to work on X variant"), then they need to suck it up and accept being restricted themselves.

In any case, the idea of having to go round proving vaccine status everywhere I find pretty unpleasant, though I suspect it's where we are heading.

Exactly this.
 

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Whilst I disagree with the premise, as it isn’t fair on younger people, there’s a school of thought that if you aren’t going to allow fully vaccinated people to live unrestricted then you’re never going to allow anyone to.
I would probably support it for this reason. Something, anything needs to happen to get people off the covid addiction. This isn't a particularly fair way of doing it, but life isn't perfect. I wouldn't want this to be done by way of 'passports' but just what they are doing in America - people who are vaccinated (or 'identify as' being vaccinated) get to do whatever. It would be a 'circuit breaker' to get life back to normal.
 

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I think the time has come to allow fully vaccinated people to be able to go abroad and attend mass gatherings etc.The ones who choose not to be vaccinated will have to miss out.

No, no, no. This utterly authoritarian and discriminatory.
The ones who want to continue wearing masks themselves or social distancing can do, but it should not be forced or coerced on any segment of society.


If you support discrimination then I assume you support banning fat people from mass gatherings etc... some recent evidence suggests that their viral shedding lasts significantly longer and healthy weight people. If it saves one life it is surely worth it.

 

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No, no, no. This utterly authoritarian and discriminatory.
The ones who want to continue wearing masks themselves or social distancing can do, but it should not be forced or coerced on any segment of society.


If you support discrimination then I assume you support banning fat people from mass gatherings etc... some recent evidence suggests that their viral shedding lasts significantly longer and healthy weight people.


Hear hear! I’m sick of people using Covid as an excuse to exercise their authoritarian ways!

Take the vaccine or don’t take the vaccine, wear a mask or don’t wear a mask! it’s a personal choice.

Imposing further restrictions serves no purpose to anyone except for control freaks
 

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I would probably support it for this reason. Something, anything needs to happen to get people off the covid addiction. This isn't a particularly fair way of doing it, but life isn't perfect. I wouldn't want this to be done by way of 'passports' but just what they are doing in America - people who are vaccinated (or 'identify as' being vaccinated) get to do whatever. It would be a 'circuit breaker' to get life back to normal.
The govt are quite happy with Covid addiction as they've worked out they and their mates can do very nicely out of it and it provides perfect air cover to avoid all the other issues. They will come out of it heros whatever the likes of Cummings say people are just not interested in the facts they just what to get back to normal so will go along with anything that achieves that outcome. Personally i want to get back to normal but its too late to create a two tier society now they should have clearly established what the criteria needed to be to remove restrictions in the first place but they've been opaque from the outset so they can manage the narrative and the useless opposition have gone along with that. So they should now go on the offensive to get the govt to come clean about what it will take to remove restrictions.
 

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There should not be any restrictions on anybody right now. The most vulnerable groups are vaccinated, and this is the social contract we made at the start of the third lockdown. Cry freedom, as Hancock himself said.

No discrimination, no more restrictions.
 

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Wearing a mask and social distancing after being fully vaccinated is like using a condom after a vasectomy.
 

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Except it isn't. You don't just wear condoms to prevent pregnancy. I understand what you're trying to say though.


I'm not trying to say it. I am saying it! When is a vaccine not a vaccine, when it's a Covid 19 vaccine!

Honestly, this would of been a Monty Python sketch 40 years ago it's that surreal.
 
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