PaxmanValenta
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With the class 800s little priority has been put into passenger comfort. These trains are just as bad as the 220/221 Voyagers, that people have complained about for over 15 years. In standard class few seats line up with windows some seats have no view at all. Seats are hard, there is engine vibration in diesel mode, few tables are provided and the interior is very cold and spartan looking.
Many years ago UK trains were far more comfortable, ok they didn't have air con, but the seats were well padded and deep had decorative patterns and they always were next to a window and had a table. There was even the choice of travelling in a compartment. MK2 coaches offered smother ride quality and more comfy seats and later aircon. MK3 offered excellent smooth ride quality, soundproofing, spacious comfort and relaxing intercity 70 seats in standard class. Even better in MK4! Some trains even had games boards printed on table tops to entertain families with children.
However in the late 1990s after privistisation, comfort was no longer important when the Voyagers and pendolinos were developed.
Having a window view was no longer considered important. Since trains were invented Kids and many adults loved looking out of train windows from their seat. The view from a train window is something unique not the same as the monotonous view from a car or bus on the motorway! But looking from a train window is sadly something many passengers are now denied
Gone too is the excellent smooth ride quality of MK3 and MK4 rolling stock, well evolved from MK 1 with advanced bogies. The Voyagers and Hitachis vibrate and are noisy with their underfloor engines. So much for progress! Was everything BREL did in engineering smooth bogies and soundproofing for nothing?
MK3 might have had brake friction smells but Voyagers have sewage tank smells, so might the 800s! No prizes for guessing what's the worst smell.
My idea for class 800s, Voyagers etc.
Why don't TOCs just go the whole hog and not put any windows in standard class carriages just have solid metal sides. It would save them money by not having the expense of windows. After all, who the hell needs a window view? and kids should be seen and not heard! So they don't need to look at the sheep in the fields after all, or play silly games like eye spy!
Try cramming in even more seats with 3+2 seating like the pacers have. It would mean having fewer coaches and save TOCs yet more money.
Have just a single colour scheme in standard class such as a dull light grey throughout, without carpets. Cheaper to clean and no expense on interior design.
Even better waterproof vinyl seat padding or no padding at all, it would make cleaning easier and all that's needed is to hose out the carriage and any rubbish at night time, thus saving on employing so many cleaning staff, if still wet in morning get passengers to dry the seats with their own tissue paper.
Ssshh don't tell the TOCs this they'll probably copy and implement all my ideas lol
Seriously are trains increasingly less comfortable than they used to be?
Many years ago UK trains were far more comfortable, ok they didn't have air con, but the seats were well padded and deep had decorative patterns and they always were next to a window and had a table. There was even the choice of travelling in a compartment. MK2 coaches offered smother ride quality and more comfy seats and later aircon. MK3 offered excellent smooth ride quality, soundproofing, spacious comfort and relaxing intercity 70 seats in standard class. Even better in MK4! Some trains even had games boards printed on table tops to entertain families with children.
However in the late 1990s after privistisation, comfort was no longer important when the Voyagers and pendolinos were developed.
Having a window view was no longer considered important. Since trains were invented Kids and many adults loved looking out of train windows from their seat. The view from a train window is something unique not the same as the monotonous view from a car or bus on the motorway! But looking from a train window is sadly something many passengers are now denied
Gone too is the excellent smooth ride quality of MK3 and MK4 rolling stock, well evolved from MK 1 with advanced bogies. The Voyagers and Hitachis vibrate and are noisy with their underfloor engines. So much for progress! Was everything BREL did in engineering smooth bogies and soundproofing for nothing?
MK3 might have had brake friction smells but Voyagers have sewage tank smells, so might the 800s! No prizes for guessing what's the worst smell.
My idea for class 800s, Voyagers etc.
Why don't TOCs just go the whole hog and not put any windows in standard class carriages just have solid metal sides. It would save them money by not having the expense of windows. After all, who the hell needs a window view? and kids should be seen and not heard! So they don't need to look at the sheep in the fields after all, or play silly games like eye spy!
Try cramming in even more seats with 3+2 seating like the pacers have. It would mean having fewer coaches and save TOCs yet more money.
Have just a single colour scheme in standard class such as a dull light grey throughout, without carpets. Cheaper to clean and no expense on interior design.
Even better waterproof vinyl seat padding or no padding at all, it would make cleaning easier and all that's needed is to hose out the carriage and any rubbish at night time, thus saving on employing so many cleaning staff, if still wet in morning get passengers to dry the seats with their own tissue paper.
Ssshh don't tell the TOCs this they'll probably copy and implement all my ideas lol
Seriously are trains increasingly less comfortable than they used to be?
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