January Fares

[hairyhandedfool]

Not really in that case you could book a delivery right away and they would honour the current price. If I tried to buy that ticket right now the ToC would refuse. And will continue to refuse until after the new price is applied.

It is more like Tesco advertising a price but then refuse to sell it to you until they put the price up a couple of months later.

An in any case Tesco as you say warn people about this, but nowhere on the Season Ticket Calculator do ATOC warn about the impending price increase or that they can change. Why not?

You seem to be confusing the details of the product on offer.

You seem to think a ticket valid from 2nd January to (for example) 1st February is a ticket valid from 2nd January to 1st February, when infact it is a one month ticket timed to start on 2nd January.

If you bought a one month season today, it would be priced as NRES states. If you 'ordered' it for a future date you could be charged more just as Tesco might charge more for the groceries.

Also, on the season calculator page, if you click on "Routes, availability and fares are subject to these provisions" you will see it notes that National Rail Enquiries cannot guarantee the fares will be available when you want to travel.

 

[michael769]

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Also, on the season calculator page, if you click on "Routes, availability and fares are subject to these provisions" you will see it notes that National Rail Enquiries cannot guarantee the fares will be available when you want to travel.

But I used the season ticket calculator, not the cheapest fare finder.
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You seem to think a ticket valid from 2nd January to (for example) 1st February is a ticket valid from 2nd January to 1st February, when infact it is a one month ticket timed to start on 2nd January.

I do not understand the difference. Nor how it means that a member of the public would be able to purchase such a ticket at the advertised price.

 

[hairyhandedfool]

But I used the season ticket calculator, not the cheapest fare finder....

The link is the same and it doesn't say the cheapest fare finder can't guarantee the fares, it says National Rail can't guarantee them. However I accept your point.

I do not understand the difference. Nor how it means that a member of the public would be able to purchase such a ticket at the advertised price.

The product is a season for a set period, even if you ask for specific dates, the season is for a set period (e.g. 01M00D, 01M01D, 01M02D, etc).

Much like a bunch of Grapes from Tesco is always a bunch of Grapes, regardless what day it is bought on.

 

[snail]

Not really in that case you could book a delivery right away and they would honour the current price.

It is more like Tesco advertising a price but then refuse to sell it to you until they put the price up a couple of months later.

No, it's the same as you looking now at the price of groceries then finding out you can't book a delivery in January.

 

[animationmilo]

Any idea when we can expect the new fares

 

[wintonian]

I belive NFM11 will be published on 5th Dec so those with access should be able to tell us more.

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[island]

Those with access being those with £15 to spend

 

[bb21]

Those with access being those with £15 to spend

I see that the disc is having inflating-busting price rises too.

 

[island]

I see that the disc is having inflating-busting price rises too.

That's the old price but including P&P. £9.02 plus 20% VAT and £3.something postage.

 

[Greeby]

New season prices have been added to the Season Ticket Calculator. I've already compiled a list of prices for MKC and given it to the booking office there so they can photocopy and give out to passengers. (Same as I did last year, except this time I'm doing it from outside the company)

My advice would be, get your season tickets to start Jan 1st and have them go for as long as you can afford. Because boy, is the outlook grim

 

[RJ]

New season prices have been added to the Season Ticket Calculator. I've already compiled a list of prices for MKC and given it to the booking office there so they can photocopy and give out to passengers. (Same as I did last year, except this time I'm doing it from outside the company)

My advice would be, get your season tickets to start Jan 1st and have them go for as long as you can afford. Because boy, is the outlook grim

Zone 1 - 2 Travelcard up from £1104 to £1192 :roll:. Only a 7.97% increase! I see that the inboundary Day Travelcards have gone up from between 50p to £1 as well!

 

[wintonian]

I was thinking about the other NFM, god knows when the public to buy version will be avalible

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[RJ]

It's already in NRE to some degree!

 

[wintonian]

It's already in NRE to some degree!

Ohh do tell us which routes!

 

[Chapeltom]

Fare rises are probably going to hit me about by about £50 next year I reckon. Pure guess. With two of my four days commuting I pay minimum fare, I can't imagine Chapel en le Frith to Southport return climbing much from £13.45 with a Y-P railcard its expensive enough as it is!

 

[barrykas]

Any idea when we can expect the new fares

New fares are now available in Journey Planner (the replacement for RJIS, so not generally available) and should be appearing in Ticket Issuing Systems within the next week or so.

The "go live" date for NFM11 is 5th December, from which point tickets sold for travel on are after the fares change date (i.e. 2nd January) SHOULD be sold at the new price.

Cheers,

Barry

 

[LexyBoy]

My Season's going up 7.96%, as expected.

At least I get to see (a lot of) investment, I'd be rather more irked if I was somewhere up in Pacer-land!
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Ohh do tell us which routes!

Seasons seem to be there; haven't seen any other fare changes.

Strangely though, I looked up a day return from Reading to Paddington - for today it gives a Thames Branches Day Ranger at £15.50, but in January it gives a CDR at £16.00 - though the TBDR is still there at £15.50. Bit weird not giving the cheapest valid fare.

 

[barrykas]

Strangely though, I looked up a day return from Reading to Paddington - for today it gives a Thames Branches Day Ranger at £15.50, but in January it gives a CDR at £16.00 - though the TBDR is still there at £15.50. Bit weird not giving the cheapest valid fare.

That was a mistake in the base NFM10 data, and was fixed about a week later. The Thames Branches Day Ranger should be priced at £16.50.

Cheers,

Barry

 

[LexyBoy]

That was a mistake in the base NFM10 data, and was fixed about a week later. The Thames Branches Day Ranger should be priced at £16.50.

Do you mean "should have been"? It's still shown as £15.50 on NRE.

Anyway, I've looked again and this time the TBDR is £17.80. The CDR is still shown as £16.00; I assume it will be going up to £17.30 or so (8.1%) on the basis of the Ranger.

 

[Deerfold]

My Season's going up 7.96%, as expected.

At least I get to see (a lot of) investment, I'd be rather more irked if I was somewhere up in Pacer-land!

My sister's got a lot of pacers around (though she catches TPE too) and her PTE travelcard is going up a whopping 10%, (as it did last year).

 

[Solent&Wessex]

My Season's going up 7.96%, as expected.

At least I get to see (a lot of) investment, I'd be rather more irked if I was somewhere up in Pacer-land!
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My sister's got a lot of pacers around (though she catches TPE too) and her PTE travelcard is going up a whopping 10%, (as it did last year).

Is this in West Yorkshire? Local fares in West Yorkshire are being increased quite significantly in January - especially for Bus Pass Holders. I'm told that the flat 50p off peak single fare is being withdrawn. The Pass will entitle the holder to travel at half fare only. Not seen any of the other amendments yet, and I've no idea whether Northern are going to fix some of the significant anomalies there either.

The reason given for the increase in fares, I hear from sources, is to compensate for the high costs associated with paying bus operators to cart the elderly around for free, and also to cover the cost of leasing the additional rolling stock being seen in the area (principally the Class 322s).

 

[mawallace]

A news story in the Times today states they they have "learnt" that Geroge Osborne, in his autumn statement on Tuesday, will announce that the increase will be limited to 1% above inflation using the "old rules". Cannot see how this will work given fare rises already set using the "new formula"

Also, David C hinted at good news for motorist!!

 

[michael769]

A news story in the Times today states they they have "learnt" that Geroge Osborne, in his autumn statement on Tuesday, will announce that the increase will be limited to 1% above inflation using the "old rules". Cannot see how this will work given fare rises already set using the "new formula"

Perhaps they mean with effect from the 2013 increase.

 

[philjo]

The article in today's Times (page 5) refers to the fare increases in January 2012.
It says it is part of a package proposed by DfT that also includes fuel duty concessions.

 

[michael769]

The article in today's Times (page 5) refers to the fare increases in January 2012.
It says it is part of a package proposed by DfT that also includes fuel duty concessions.

Interesting. The cynic in me wonders if the government is looking for a populist measure to soften us up for something.

If it turns out correct I suspect that some folks in the ToCs will have had a heads up and been asked to produce an RPI+1 solution.

Incidentally I just found out my RPI+1 raise (Scottish), and it is painful enough!

 

[Deerfold]

Is this in West Yorkshire? Local fares in West Yorkshire are being increased quite significantly in January - especially for Bus Pass Holders. I'm told that the flat 50p off peak single fare is being withdrawn. The Pass will entitle the holder to travel at half fare only. Not seen any of the other amendments yet, and I've no idea whether Northern are going to fix some of the significant anomalies there either.

The reason given for the increase in fares, I hear from sources, is to compensate for the high costs associated with paying bus operators to cart the elderly around for free, and also to cover the cost of leasing the additional rolling stock being seen in the area (principally the Class 322s).

Yes

Details are at:

http://www.wymetro.com/NR/rdonlyres/0A9EB621-CCD7-464D-A201-7AB9AD2A6FEA/0/CT63_infoleaflet.pdf

It's got details of new bus and train times and then new metrocard prices near the end.

Bus and Train tickets are going up by rather more than the average rail fare even though bus only tickets are going up by less than that.

 

[Paul Kelly]

Surely all the new fares for NFM11 have already been finalised, checked against the fares regulation formulae and so on and are all ready to go? Maybe this is an idea from the government to try to lessen the bad publicity of the 8%+ increases in January, with a promise that future increases won't be as high as was previously planned?

 

[barrykas]

Do you mean "should have been"? It's still shown as £15.50 on NRE.

Shows as £16.50 in The Manual and FasTIS at least...and presumably other Ticket Issuing Systems. Suspect the NR site is getting old data from somewhere, as the price was updated about a week after the fares change.

Cheers,

Barry