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June 2024 Timetable Change
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swt_passenger
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There‘s possibly something in the wind about this, because in the current GTR TAA, (that’s being discussed in the thread about the West Coastway), it mentions that the rights to extend to Hemel after SCD24 will be addressed separately.
TrainBoy98
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Hopefully they're still to be added - they come in very handy for me!All the Southern trains to Hemel Hempstead have been eliminated
The unit sits around all day doing nothing instead of working the trip. It does cost a driver and guard.
However, the benefit of a consistent hourly service without a random gap is well and truly lost on the DfT wombles so no doubt it is cost related.
On the other hand, unit availability is still an issue with servicing capacity being the main problem.
The unit works 1N05, arrives at 0949 and then does precisely nothing all day long sat at Eastcroft until it comes off shed to work 1K71 at 1616. This would appear to be unchanged in June.
Hmm. Not what I’ve been told (usually reliably!). Is it on maintenace at Eastcroft? But i stand corrected.
(earlier post edited, i should have said crew, not unit)
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JW4
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No reinstatement of 2tph at Codsall.
Just Shifnal, Telford and Wellington on the via Smethwick.
Baxenden Bank
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Plus the Saturday service remains three round trips down, including the first to Crewe, useful for day trips.
A 10 plus minute increase (33%) in journey time and the binning of the extra service they've been promising for years. That'll go down well. Time to start some protests unless they're going to reduce the fares at the same time!
devon_belle
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No change to Southern 2I13 0817 Horsham to Victoria, which will still wait outside Victoria for 7 minutes. Also, still no semi-fast to Horsham via Dorking, and still no extra trains to Epsom. Woe are we!
duffield
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My superficial scan of selected EMR services shows no significant changes - the remaining missing pre-covid services I know about don't seem to have been restored this time round.
The current weekday 0708 service from Barton-On-Humber is missing from the new timetable but I guess that's a mistake, since the incoming service it forms from is there (the 0703 arrival).
Indeed, although it's nothing new for ScotRail – north of the Central Belt everything seems slower and less consistent each hour than before the pandemic. It's a similar story with the Edinburgh to Inverness via Stirling services, most which take around the same time to travel between Edinburgh and Stirling as the Dunblane stoppers despite having six fewer stops.
I think a lot of it comes from still trying to get away with using the post-EGIP timetable from circa-2018 as the foundation instead of just starting again, seeing as they've make such radical changes to service patterns in the mean time. Although in the case of the Dundee semi-fast they could do a lot worse than to re-use the 2018 timetable seeing as the journey time was a good 10 minutes faster in most cases than what is currently proposed!
I remain hopeful, to say losing every evening service would be a huge loss is an understatement. The previous workings for each service remain as originally scheduled, with no further workings from those platforms before the next train arrives, so I am hoping it is a mistake.
greaterangrier
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All trains updated to 720 timings as well which has certainly helped with the pathing of the faster Norwich trains.
It's great news for Harwich and Walton passengers who will now get consistent connections to Chelmsford (and therefore Ingatestone and Chelmsford) in both directions.
Class 720 SRTs have also been altered. Not had a detailed look yet, but more SRTs have gone up than gone down.
e.g. Bow Jn to Stratford down from 2 to 1½
Ilford to Gidea Park (pass-pass) up from 4 to 4½
Marks Tey (non-stop) to Colchester (stopping) up from 4 to 4½
Colchester to Manningtree (stop-stop) up from 6½ to 7
The new SRTs still sadly nowhere close to reflect the potential of the trains
Clacton to London trains finally gain a much needed stop at Hythe. Very welcome news. Overall, a job well done and very positive for Anglia!
bramling
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So two extra trips to/from Peterborough each peak.
It will be interesting to see what stock is used for these.
The GN 387 fleet is currently (IIRC) 39 units, made up of 29x 387/1 (GN), 6x 387/3, 3x387/1 (GWR), 1x387/2 (GX).
If as speculated the GWR units are going to the west Coastway to work the Brighton-Southampton services, this reduces the GN 387 fleet to 36 units. Likewise the GX unit is presumably nominally to cover fleet project work such as ETCS, so that takes the GN allocation down to 35.
There are currently 31x 387 diagrams on GN. This would suggest the extra Peterborough services won't be 387s as if the GWR units are going then this doesn't leave enough room in the fleet to resource the two extra journeys required each peak. 700/0? Or are we finally going to see something involving the 379s, which might explain why these extra services are run as required, in that they might not actually happen?
I can't see any obvious changes to stock allocation on the rest of the GN outer suburban service group, which seems to remain at 31x387, 4x700/0 and 1x700/1.
How would the GTR areegement help in this case?
I take it SWR timetable will be much the same. Ever hopeful of more fast trains from Guuldford stopping at Clapham Junction. I appreciate why the current timetable can't support this.
The trains from Haywards Heath to Redhill at 07:10 and 07:40 are welcomed but there isn't any reverse working from Redhill in the evening peak.
There are more trains from Haywardd Heath to Redhill than Redhill to Haywards Heath. I accept it won't be a massive flow of traff8c.
The Shropshire Star's saying that the Avanti Shrewsbury service is being scrapped. I wonder how much longer the Wrexham services have left, in that case.
(The rest is behind a pay wall and I'm not a subscriber.)
(The rest is behind a pay wall and I'm not a subscriber.)
dk1
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History repeating itself.
That would also mean nothing eastbound to/from Chippenham after about 8.30 - so they must surely appear soon!
The relevant units can go straight into the Three Bridges depot in the southbound direction, whereas a reversal at Haywards Heath is needed if they come out the south end of the depot in the morning.
The Edinburgh to Inverness services almost take as long as the ones that stop at Polmont, Linlithgow etc, because it is stuck behind a Edinburgh to Glasgow via Falkirk High for a couple of the journeys between Edinburgh Waverly and Polmont Junction
Yep would be ridiculous, and a huge loss.
Falcon1200
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Good to see that, but there is still the ridiculous gap in the Neilston-Glasgow service between the 0824 and 0905 departures; And the 0905 (just now at least) is booked a 3-car only! A train which I avoid if at all possible as it becomes extremely overcrowded. Pre-Covid there was an 0841 from Neilston.
Kite159
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Got to feel a bit sorry for passengers for the local stations between Wolverhampton & Shrewsbury (other than Shifnal) as their journey times increase due to the train going via Tame Bridge.
Although better going towards Birmingham as any WMT passengers for Birmingham will board the new semifast which runs 5 minutes in front of the stopper at Shrewsbury for a faster journey so they will likely get a seat
Although better going towards Birmingham as any WMT passengers for Birmingham will board the new semifast which runs 5 minutes in front of the stopper at Shrewsbury for a faster journey so they will likely get a seat
How many 717 diagrams are there? I think there are a few spare. Is there any scope to use 717s to free up two 700s?
norbitonflyer
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Is there any news on when they will open? It all seems to have gone very quiet over there. (and isn't there supposed to be a service to them from Walsall as well?)
Looks like nothing of interest changes at Ely.
- The 0948 weekday service to Kings Cross still starts at Ely rather than back at Kings Lynn.
- Presumably the majority of Ely-Kings Cross services on Saturdays remain as 700s? (Though it matters less than before, to me at least, because between the endless closures for Cambridge South works, Cambridge resignalling and ECML resignalling, combined with strikes and weather disruption, nowadays we barely get a weekend with a service to London anyway. On the rare occasions we do, one has the choice of a 700 all the way, or switching to a GA 720 at Cambridge, or getting on a 387 that started at Kings Lynn that is usually already full by Ely. Result : I barely go to London anymore).
- No later late-night trains from London to north of Cambridge, as was promised in the 2018 timetable (I know, this is never going to happen)
- No earlier trains at Ely on Sunday mornings, first train to Cambridge/London still at the ludicrously late time of 0857.
- The very useful 0853 on Sunday mornings to Peterborough is back, but no doubt will stop again in September. This needs to run all year around rather than just for the 3 months of summer.
- Unless XC do something surprising, we still have the same Sunday situation where all three trains to Cambridge leave within a few minutes of each other, leaving a huge gap for the rest of the hour.
Still, in this case perhaps no news is good news!
I note on Northern that Rainhill etc. still only gets an hourly train for most of the day. Is this ever going to be fixed by Northern or are they stuck forever with this woefully inadequate level of service?
- The 0948 weekday service to Kings Cross still starts at Ely rather than back at Kings Lynn.
- Presumably the majority of Ely-Kings Cross services on Saturdays remain as 700s? (Though it matters less than before, to me at least, because between the endless closures for Cambridge South works, Cambridge resignalling and ECML resignalling, combined with strikes and weather disruption, nowadays we barely get a weekend with a service to London anyway. On the rare occasions we do, one has the choice of a 700 all the way, or switching to a GA 720 at Cambridge, or getting on a 387 that started at Kings Lynn that is usually already full by Ely. Result : I barely go to London anymore).
- No later late-night trains from London to north of Cambridge, as was promised in the 2018 timetable (I know, this is never going to happen)
- No earlier trains at Ely on Sunday mornings, first train to Cambridge/London still at the ludicrously late time of 0857.
- The very useful 0853 on Sunday mornings to Peterborough is back, but no doubt will stop again in September. This needs to run all year around rather than just for the 3 months of summer.
- Unless XC do something surprising, we still have the same Sunday situation where all three trains to Cambridge leave within a few minutes of each other, leaving a huge gap for the rest of the hour.
Still, in this case perhaps no news is good news!
I note on Northern that Rainhill etc. still only gets an hourly train for most of the day. Is this ever going to be fixed by Northern or are they stuck forever with this woefully inadequate level of service?