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Lack of charging options at Blackburn station or on the Northern train

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I spent 6 hours in the SWALEC, Sophia Gardens, Cardiff, two weeks ago, and there was no where to charge my iPad. Absolute disgrace in this modern age as I had loads of Facebook updates to do.

Who do I complain to?

I would suggest sending a Tweet.

If I was a TOC, I might take note of all these people wishing to steal my electricity, and invite someone to install electricity vending machines at my stations. Say £1 for an hour's charging? <D

Oh - there would be a 50p supplement for those wishing to charge iThings.
 
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I too recently changed trains at Blackburn station and was disgusted to find there was no-one was giving away free beer nor were there any complimentary sit-down, three-course dinners available.

When faced with a 40 minute wait at Blackburn station and then a 2 and a bit hour journey on your train services I find this absolutely appalling.

No one needs or could readily eat a 3 course meal in 40 minutes, your expectations are therefore unreasonable.
Fish and chips or a hot pie, and free beer, should however be a basic entitlement for a 40 minute wait !
 

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I have slightly more sympathy in some circumstances with difficulties providing toilet facilities - these are expensive to install and maintain and require staff input. Blocking people from using an existing wall socket is a bit pathetic in comparison.

I can think of very few places which will allow you to plug in a device which hasn't been PAT tested at the least. Just because you can get away with it doesn't mean it's allowed. Even if you go to a public library, which is intended to be used by some for wifi and laptops, some places will require you to use an RCB to protect their system too. Plus, what starts as one person using the sockets to charge a phone could quite easily end up in a people thinking "oh that's a good idea" and suddenly people are sprawled across the floor, which everyone around them tripping over their legs.

Stop people using the sockets and it's less of a risk for them, and the sockets remain free for use when they need to be.

Devices needing regular charging and usage have only started being commonplace in say the last 5-6 years or so, and back then did we really imagine it would take off in the way it has. It's not a priority. If it's a priority for you then get a portable battery pack for £20 or less, or carry an old "brick" phone in the bottom of your bag to swap your SIM into for emergencies.
 

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If I was a TOC, I might take note of all these people wishing to steal my electricity, and invite someone to install electricity vending machines at my stations. Say £1 for an hour's charging? <D

Oh - there would be a 50p supplement for those wishing to charge iThings.

Those 'charging kiosks' do exist!

Charging-station.jpg


Why the bother with Apple?
 
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I can think of very few places which will allow you to plug in a device which hasn't been PAT tested at the least. Just because you can get away with it doesn't mean it's allowed. Even if you go to a public library, which is intended to be used by some for wifi and laptops, some places will require you to use an RCB to protect their system too. Plus, what starts as one person using the sockets to charge a phone could quite easily end up in a people thinking "oh that's a good idea" and suddenly people are sprawled across the floor, which everyone around them tripping over their legs.

Stop people using the sockets and it's less of a risk for them, and the sockets remain free for use when they need to be.

Devices needing regular charging and usage have only started being commonplace in say the last 5-6 years or so, and back then did we really imagine it would take off in the way it has. It's not a priority. If it's a priority for you then get a portable battery pack for £20 or less, or carry an old "brick" phone in the bottom of your bag to swap your SIM into for emergencies.

Frankly it's questionable whether PAT testing is required for anything other than heavy duty machinery, certainly not low voltage devices which are in use across the country without PAT testing. Particularly since any charging will take place under someone's close supervision.

Perhaps there should be a PAT tester at all ticket barriers for when people attempt to use on-train charging points.
 

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PAT testing is a bit of a con trick, especialy for small double insulated appliances such as chargers for portable electronics.
It is however a "holy cow" in most large or publicly funded organisations ! some of which DO insist on the application of a green and white sticker to phone chargers and the like.

The elf an safety argued against the provision of mains voltage sockets on trains due to the terrible risks posed by untested appliances.

The use of someone else's electricity without specific or implied permission is still theft, usually called abstraction* of electricity.
The value of the electricity stolen to charge a phone is very small and it could be considered unduly pedantic to prosecute in such cases, but it is still theft.

*abstraction is the preferred legal term when that which has been stolen is not a physical article that can be photographed or placed in an evidence bag. Cash or cabbages are stolen, electricity, gas or telephone service are abstracted.
 

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Oh, for goodness' sake, let's get a bit of perspective here. The OP had a twenty minute wait and is peeved that he couldn't charge his 'phone. There are plenty of stations where customers have a wait and can't have a pee. I know which facility I'd prefer. And whilst we're at it, what about better facilities for disabled passengers, who frequently can't even get on a train at peak periods and, if they use a wheelchair, can't ride on substitute bus services during engineering possessions?

Yes there are iots of stations with just a bus stop style shelter or let alone a toilet, should they be supplying sockets for charging your phone in there bus shelters to keep the phone gang happy?

I think you will find that if disabled passengers using wheelchairs are travelling on rail replacement services sometimes they can get out of the chair and get on the coach themselves or else a taxi with facilities for wheelchairs will be sent for to transport the person to there destination instead. It might take a little longer to get one there if assistance hasn,t been booked in advance.

Its like other,s have said before would you leave your door open for someone to come in your house and charge there phone as its battery is going flat, its just the same in stations and other places unless the sockets have been purposely been provided for phone charging use, its not yours to use without permission.
 

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If anybody regards a continuously working smartphone as 'essential' then it is their responsibility to carry a portable charger, (generally costing less than half a month's mobile contract charges).
If they can't be bothered, then it isn't essential, they are just whining because they didn't plan its charging and now can't get their fix, be it Facebook, games etc.. Why don't these complainers grow-up and take responsibility for their (in)actions.
 

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One wonders that if they had a charger they didn't use it to charge in the place that they were in before they went to the station...


How horrid it must be for no one to be able to contact you or, god forbid, not get to the next level on Candy crush.

My. Heart. Bleeds.
 

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At least with a lack of charging options one won't have to put up with any over-zealous PCSOs descending on them.
 

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Now now chaps, it might be these forums that these unfortunate people are addicted to - I'm sure we could understand that. ;)
 

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Now now chaps, it might be these forums that these unfortunate people are addicted to - I'm sure we could understand that. ;)

Then if it is an addiction, they surely must treat their continuous access as 'essential' and accordingly travel properly equipped. :|
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At least with a lack of charging options one won't have to put up with any over-zealous PCSOs descending on them.

They could have their feet on a seat. :)
 

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Now now chaps, it might be these forums that these unfortunate people are addicted to - I'm sure we could understand that. ;)

If they are addicted, we need to treat them as vulnerable passengers, like drunk 15yos who decide to train-surf. :(
 

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Isn't 40 mins about the optimum time to take a wander to The Post Order, have a pint of ale and wander back?
 

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A business passenger arrives into Heathrow for a business meeting in Blackburn. She has never been there before - poor soul. She catches the Heathrow Express and uses the plugs and Wifi - and he is encouraged to do so. She then catches a Virgin train to Preston and uses the plugs and Wifi - she is encouraged to do so. She thinks, "People say England is a bit backwards, particularly outside London, but it is not tooo bad. She then catches a Northern Rail train. Once the lady in question has recovered the use of her spine she realises that her phone is out of battery. She need to ring the company she is here to tell them that she has arrived. She looks around the train and finds one in a vestibule. She is very relieved as she is in an unfamiliar place without means to communicate with her host. Then a friendly Songs of Praise guard comes down and starts spouting on about theft of electricity. She feels threatened, but also confused, as all the other train companies she travelled with encouraged her to stay connected. It gets worse as the Songs of Praise guard calls in the BTP. She gets the next train to Preston, back to Heathrow and a dinner with friends a couple of months later explains how backwards England is - well certainly the northern bit and that she decided not to invest in the region.

There is a serious point here. Northern Rail passengers are rocking about on sub-standard trains often travelling at low speeds through and to poor stations. When your assets are at there worst, your attitude needs to be at its best to at least partly compensate for the state of the infrastructure. My daily commute on a Pacer to Harrogate was only ever saved by the friendly face of the conductor, who I believe was called George, who generally could not do enough to help. Sanctimony should be saved for Church - although most Churches hate it as well.
 

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A business passenger arrives into Heathrow for a business meeting in Blackburn. She has never been there before - poor soul. She catches the Heathrow Express and uses the plugs and Wifi - and he is encouraged to do so. She then catches a Virgin train to Preston and uses the plugs and Wifi - she is encouraged to do so. She thinks, "People say England is a bit backwards, particularly outside London, but it is not tooo bad. She then catches a Northern Rail train. Once the lady in question has recovered the use of her spine she realises that her phone is out of battery.

She needs a new phone if it has been on charge for the previous 2 hours on the trip down from London and runs out on a 25 minute trip from Preston to Blackburn.
 

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There are always sockets available somewhere at stations (okay maybe not Ardwick), be they above your head in the waiting room, behind the food vending machine or in the loos for the cleaner's hoover. Normally a friendly smile and polite request to staff will get you access, and if not, you weren't entitled to it anyway.

I spent £20 on an external battery pack in Menkind three years ago. I don't carry it everywhere but it's useful as a backup on long day trips, as Google maps or Wifi etc can be quite taxing on the battery life. That's a much better bet than relying on the off chance of finding a socket somewhere.

Whilst it would be great to have sockets in all stations and trains, it's certainly not something I expect, especially in smaller stations. Anyway, sockets and/or wifi is the main selling point of 1st Class on some operators so making them widely available to Standard passengers might only devalue the 'premium' product.
 

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A business passenger arrives into Heathrow for a business meeting in Blackburn. She has never been there before - poor soul. She catches the Heathrow Express and uses the plugs and Wifi - and he is encouraged to do so.

Do Heathrow Express do gender reassignment as well?
 

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A business passenger arrives into Heathrow for a business meeting in Blackburn. She has never been there before - poor soul. She catches the Heathrow Express and uses the plugs and Wifi - and he is encouraged to do so. She then catches a Virgin train to Preston and uses the plugs and Wifi - she is encouraged to do so. She thinks, "People say England is a bit backwards, particularly outside London, but it is not tooo bad. She then catches a Northern Rail train. Once the lady in question has recovered the use of her spine she realises that her phone is out of battery. She need to ring the company she is here to tell them that she has arrived. She looks around the train and finds one in a vestibule. She is very relieved as she is in an unfamiliar place without means to communicate with her host. Then a friendly Songs of Praise guard comes down and starts spouting on about theft of electricity. She feels threatened, but also confused, as all the other train companies she travelled with encouraged her to stay connected. It gets worse as the Songs of Praise guard calls in the BTP. She gets the next train to Preston, back to Heathrow and a dinner with friends a couple of months later explains how backwards England is - well certainly the northern bit and that she decided not to invest in the region.

There is a serious point here. Northern Rail passengers are rocking about on sub-standard trains often travelling at low speeds through and to poor stations. When your assets are at there worst, your attitude needs to be at its best to at least partly compensate for the state of the infrastructure. My daily commute on a Pacer to Harrogate was only ever saved by the friendly face of the conductor, who I believe was called George, who generally could not do enough to help. Sanctimony should be saved for Church - although most Churches hate it as well.


I'm not sure what the drivel above is supposed to be, is it just another rant about north vs. south, (completely ignoring the fact that most of the thousands of Electrostar and Desiro coaches down south don't have any power sockets for passenger use) and most of those who feel that they need their inadequately powered mobile devices to keep working are responsible enough to carry appropriate support devices.

Maybe a train should be cancelled if the power outlets provided for passengers fail. That sounds like a sensible way to run a railway. Some here have got their priorities wrong or is it just plain self-centred arrogance?
 
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I'm not sure what the drivel above is supposed to be, is it just another rant about north vs. south, (completely ignoring the fact that most of the thousands of Electrostar and Desiro coaches down south don't have any power sockets for passenger use) and most of those who feel that they need their inadequately powered mobile devices to keep working are responsible enough to carry appropriate support devices.

Maybe a train should be cancelled if the power outlets provided for passengers fail. That sounds like a sensible way to run a railway. Some here have got their priorities wrong or is it just plain self-centred arrogance?

There's a world of difference between expecting something to be installed at great expense (it would indeed have been preferable if the Electrostars had been built with power sockets, but they just about pre dated the abundance of lap tops) and companies going out of their way to be mean spirited by needlessly blocking off wall sockets.
 

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If there are no charging facilities it is necessary to complain on Twitter, post on this forum, comment on Facebook, email everyone you know and make several disgruntled phone calls so of course your battery will be flat and it's all the fault of the TOC.
 
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