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Bantamzen

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Lets move bus stops and taxi rank and short stay further from the trains. Thats going to get people of reduced mobility and those with luggage onto public transport.
Let's face it, the range of bus services from New Station Street was always fairly limited, there are a lot of places that did not have routes with stops there and those that did were mainly west & north west facing routes. It is unfortunate that taxis have been moved, but frankly they were causing quite a lot of problems queuing up down the approach, tripping over buses & delivery vehicles, & making walking away from the station into the city centre quite dangerous given the rather narrow paths along New Station Street.

And that's before we consider the exit to City Square, with traffic junctions that felt like you were taking your life into your own hands. It was downright dangerous having part of the Inner Loop go straight past a busy station exit. Which is why the Loop is being redirected and traffic limited in that area.
 
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Let's face it, the range of bus services from New Station Street was always fairly limited, there are a lot of places that did not have routes with stops there and those that did were mainly west & north west facing routes. It is unfortunate that taxis have been moved, but frankly they were causing quite a lot of problems queuing up down the approach, tripping over buses & delivery vehicles, & making walking away from the station into the city centre quite dangerous given the rather narrow paths along New Station Street.

And that's before we consider the exit to City Square, with traffic junctions that felt like you were taking your life into your own hands. It was downright dangerous having part of the Inner Loop go straight past a busy station exit. Which is why the Loop is being redirected and traffic limited in that area.
Also worth pointing out there will be a taxi rank on Bishopgate Street once the work is completed.

Bus operators never liked the stops on New Station Street and they became largely disused. Better to have a much-improved pedestrian access to the larger number of bus stops on Boar Lane.
 

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Also worth pointing out there will be a taxi rank on Bishopgate Street once the work is completed.

Bus operators never liked the stops on New Station Street and they became largely disused. Better to have a much-improved pedestrian access to the larger number of bus stops on Boar Lane.
It will also be easier to access a wider range of bus services at the stops in the area around City Square without reams of traffic threatening to mow you down as drivers try to beat red lights through the city centre. Case in point, in the past I often used to get buses towards York Road off my train services arriving into Leeds. These were generally departing from City Square or Boar Lane. When the Loop went through I often, stupidly would see a bus preparing to depart and chance my hand with the traffic to get it. And I was far from alone. At least with the new design of station & City Square, the gauntlet has been removed so a dash for a soon to depart bus won't be quite as dangerous.
 

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The area infront of the station has always been poor with the roads. It got a bit better when they removed a couple of the lanes a few years ago, but the full plaza with stairs down will be a much nicer entrance to the city.

The relocated taxis and buses are something that sound inconvenient but it'll only really add a couple seconds of extra walking for anyone that needs them.
 

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I'd like it if they could improve the reliability of the escalators at the south entrance while the works are happening.

They are regularly out of action for weeks on end.

Well done to the person who managed to get two working in the up direction during the evening rush one day last week. Shame it can be prioritised every afternoon.
 

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When I passed by an hour or so ago there was someone in a Network Rail hi-viz opposite the multi-storey, and the road was clear of stopped vehicles. As I write and look out of the window I can see cars (mostly PHVs) parked up again...

Lets move bus stops and taxi rank and short stay further from the trains. Thats going to get people of reduced mobility and those with luggage onto public transport.
When work is completed, neither is moving all that far. The taxi rank will be on Bishopgate Street, all of the bus services (I think) moved to the two new stops on Boar Lane. Not as easy as Leeds Station Interchange, I grant you, but still a shorter walk than at Sheffield and with just the one road to cross.

That's going to be a swine, particularly for anyone approaching from the South unaware of the changes. Motorists will find they can't get to the station by either of the previous routes, and once they're in the loop they can't easily take the natural route out via Water Lane and Globe Road, if they even know it, which there's a good chance they wouldn't, and would have to go round the gyratory outside the Asda head offices and come back on themselves again, if they knew to do it. Guessing there'll be no drop of point on Bishopgate which would have negated the impact.
Officially, it'll be a two-way cycle lane, a taxi rank and a single lane through. Once it opens, it'll be the usual free for all like it is now... and the City Loop as-was is gone, as part of it is /will be permanently closed, another part is becoming two-way with a bus gate that cuts you off from the rest of the loop.

If they are seriously suggesting all private hire traffic can only use Northern Street they have just enshrined Leeds gridlock for years to come as everything will back up to the inner ring road (it does anyway). There is a lot of private hire traffic to the station in terms of volume and I would guess proportionately way more than taxi. They pretended it didn’t exist on the last remodelling in terms of the actual drop off and now they are pretending it doesn’t need to get there either.
"Suggesting" is the key word. There are paper notices on lighting columns saying that the turn from Wellington Street into Thirsk Row is proscribed, but no big road signs. I have been complaining to Connecting Leeds about this, as it's dangerous for pedestrians; cars block the crossing point. I haven't got around to replying to their comprehensive answer as to why they haven't put signs up.

Let's face it, the range of bus services from New Station Street was always fairly limited, there are a lot of places that did not have routes with stops there and those that did were mainly west & north west facing routes. It is unfortunate that taxis have been moved, but frankly they were causing quite a lot of problems queuing up down the approach, tripping over buses & delivery vehicles, & making walking away from the station into the city centre quite dangerous given the rather narrow paths along New Station Street.

And that's before we consider the exit to City Square, with traffic junctions that felt like you were taking your life into your own hands. It was downright dangerous having part of the Inner Loop go straight past a busy station exit. Which is why the Loop is being redirected and traffic limited in that area.
The taxis will be making a return though, and will queue across the junction down Swinegate (if I remamber correctly), not down Neville Street.
 

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"Suggesting" is the key word. There are paper notices on lighting columns saying that the turn from Wellington Street into Thirsk Row is proscribed, but no big road signs. I have been complaining to Connecting Leeds about this, as it's dangerous for pedestrians; cars block the crossing point. I haven't got around to replying to their comprehensive answer as to why they haven't put signs up.

I don't think a lot of thought has gone in to the schemes from a pedestrian viewpoint. The crossing near Bridgewater Place is a nightmare now with traffic constantly queuing across it, and the crossing outside the station is way too narrow and isn't coordinated with the one at Boar Lane. Well done for getting a response though, Leeds City Council don't appear to be interested.
 

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I don't think a lot of thought has gone in to the schemes from a pedestrian viewpoint. The crossing near Bridgewater Place is a nightmare now with traffic constantly queuing across it, and the crossing outside the station is way too narrow and isn't coordinated with the one at Boar Lane. Well done for getting a response though, Leeds City Council don't appear to be interested.
They wrote to Whitehall Quay residents last summer with the revised plans and asked us for our thoughts. Little did they realise that I live here... :lol: I also pick things up with one of my local Councillors, as PHV drivers use our place to park up, then make the illegal right turn into Aire Street to head to the Station. It turns out that the Council can ban any left or right turns they like - what they can't do is enforce them :{

The new car park is shaping up, white lining has been done (though I think they've missed out one of the crossing points), with what looks like a through lane and a waiting line. Not sure how that works, but it's for the Hackney carriages so they'll figure it out. The car park exit traffic now takes precedence over the traffic from the access road; a new GIVE WAY line and notice have been put down, as has a box junction and re-painted double yellows.

This is not stopping people waiting (parking) on the new junction, of course.

Someone was out giving leaflets to some drivers yesterday, but not to the Private Hire Vehicle drivers (having seen their antics over the last nine years here I'm always surprised they passed their tests so the leafet would have been a waste of time). Drivers who used to use the short-stay are pulling into the long-stay as suggested; PHV drivers are just parking up on the access road. Sometimes they double stack and have a chat with their mates, oblivious to the traffic trying to get past them to and from the surface car parks. (If you think I have it in for PHV drivers... I do.) But it will be interesting to see how it works in practice, as there's nowhere for taxis to stack, whereas they used to use parts of Boar Lane if New Station Street was full.
 

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I have to say that as a rail commuter into Leeds, it's been quite blissful having those damned roads between the station and City square out of action.

The to sets of lights were annoyingly timed to make pedestrians wait twice to get to the other side.
 

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I have to say that as a rail commuter into Leeds, it's been quite blissful having those damned roads between the station and City square out of action.

The to sets of lights were annoyingly timed to make pedestrians wait twice to get to the other side.
Currently a chew on for me having to cross Wellington Street twice to get back to the side I started on.

And watch out for cyclists going the wrong way on the one-way stretch!
 

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Copies of the Network Rail leaflet are available in the shops at Leeds; I picked one up from Sainsbury's this evening.

Hilariously, it says that "Private hire taxis (sic) will use the multi-storey carpark as a pick-up and drop-off point."

No they won't. They'll do that on the access road, Aire Street, King Street... anywhere but within the car park.
 

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I'm confused. Please could someone in the know tell me if/where I'll be able to get a black and white taxi tomorrow morning about 7am?

I could plan in more time to look for one but I'd rather be in bed.

And if it makes a difference I'm going to south east Leeds. I'll walk a few minutes to save money or get there quicker.
 

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I'm confused. Please could someone in the know tell me if/where I'll be able to get a black and white taxi tomorrow morning about 7am?

I could plan in more time to look for one but I'd rather be in bed.

And if it makes a difference I'm going to south east Leeds. I'll walk a few minutes to save money or get there quicker.
On Monday afternoon/evening (roughly 17:30 and 20:30 on 15/05/2023, when I passed through Leeds City Station) taxis were picking up and dropping off on New Station Street, as they have done for many years. They may have been relocated in the interim, but I very much doubt it.
 

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The new taxi rank is now open.

Confusingly, the pick up and drop off area is newly marked "Drop Off Zone", although the leaflet says that that should be happening in the multi-storey. There's been someone (I think the same person, for the last few hours since I got home) in the middle of the access road stopping PHVs from parking up. Some go into the car park, other spin round and head off somewhere else. Give it another hour until he goes home, and it'll be "Situation Normal"...

And there's always, always, someone parked up across the entrance to the Princes Square car park, where the STOP line and double-white lines are :rolleyes:
 

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As a blind person, I always found it easier to book a taxi from outside the Queens Hotel, usually not as many taxis there to try and find my one. With all these changes, can you still get a taxi from outside the Queens?
 

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There's been someone (I think the same person, for the last few hours since I got home) in the middle of the access road stopping PHVs from parking up. Some go into the car park, other spin round and head off somewhere else. Give it another hour until he goes home, and it'll be "Situation Normal"...

And there's always, always, someone parked up across the entrance to the Princes Square car park, where the STOP line and double-white lines are
Can't the BTP sort those situations out? Easy pickings for a local tow-truck operator, I would have thought!
 

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As a blind person, I always found it easier to book a taxi from outside the Queens Hotel, usually not as many taxis there to try and find my one. With all these changes, can you still get a taxi from outside the Queens?
I'm honestly not sure. I'd say "no", but there seems to be half a layby white-lined in the bit of road that's still open. Eventually the whole road will be closed off. I did belatedly wonder if they could have created a loop in front of The Queens; cars entering and leaving from the east. Rail Replacement buses/coaches will go from the former bus stands on Wellington Street, but the only way to get there will be via Aire Street once they open the corner to run the opposite way as it was. Then again, the Council might have had third or fourth thoughts on the sheme by now!

Can't the BTP sort those situations out? Easy pickings for a local tow-truck operator, I would have thought!
Nobody cares. The Council, for example, has made changes to the roads but has no powers to enforce those changes as they would be moving traffic offences, not parking ones. So if the Police aren't out checking, you're fine.

Leeds has tidal flows based around the arrival of the trains from London. There's a train due in as I write; Hackney carriages are queueing on the dock road as the former car park area is full. Behind them are the PHVs. There was someone outside on Friday morning (8am!) telling people that the drop-off zone was for people dropping off, and that pick-ups would be done at the multi-storey. When I passed by in the evening (9pm), there were private cars waiting in the drop-off zone and no person. :rolleyes:
 

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What is the deal with the 'rail replacement bus waiting area'...inside the barriers on the main footbridge near the Starbucks kiosk!

Where are those departing from at the moment, it almost seems like you'll be escorted to them!
 

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I see that the second pop-up retail outlet in the middle of the concourse has reappeared. It was there, then it was gone, now it is back. They sell cannoli, so I might just be tempted.
 

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What is the deal with the 'rail replacement bus waiting area'...inside the barriers on the main footbridge near the Starbucks kiosk!

Where are those departing from at the moment, it almost seems like you'll be escorted to them!
The notices seem to be popping up at random, along with lots of other A4 laminated sheets. There's also a RRB sign (with arrow) on the end of the Big Pod (TM) on the main concourse. I think buses are leaving from Boar Lane; you can now exit Aire Street northwards, but I don't think they've marked out bays on Wellington Street, which is where there were supposed to be going.

I see that the second pop-up retail outlet in the middle of the concourse has reappeared. It was there, then it was gone, now it is back. They sell cannoli, so I might just be tempted.
That pop-up is really annoying; it's wider than the bun one, and in the way when you're trying to swim against the tide in the morning. The narrowing of the area around the food outlets doesn't help either.

If you're wondering how the car parking is going... eesh. PHVs do, usually, pull in to the multi storey. Then they leave when they think their passengers are due and clog up the road and various entrances, including the car park exit itself. Am looking forward to winter - they might start doing the pick-ups from inside the multi-storey, which seams a lot more sensible to me.

On Saturday, a friend was being dropped off in town and used the station. One of the jacketed people said they couldn't do that... drop some off, in the marked Drop Off Zone...
 

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Any ideas why there is a large white box erected nearby Boots and the passenger assistance point at the moment?

So much for all that open space on the concourse they once had!
 

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Any ideas why there is a large white box erected nearby Boots and the passenger assistance point at the moment?

So much for all that open space on the concourse they once had!
Shows how much attention I pay in the morning, didn't even notice that as I came into Leeds this morning! (Unless of course it went up after 7am)
 

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Worth noting that the second pop-up food stall on the concourse has gone again. The space is now occupied by a bear.

Hoping that the white box will go and reveal a Greggs.
 

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Worth noting that the second pop-up food stall on the concourse has gone again. The space is now occupied by a bear.

Hoping that the white box will go and reveal a Greggs.
It's not a long lost relative of Paddington by any chance?
 

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Worth noting that the second pop-up food stall on the concourse has gone again. The space is now occupied by a bear.

Hoping that the white box will go and reveal a Greggs.
I think I heard that the station was charging too much for greggs and SSP who run a lot of the food outlets kicked off as they'd undercut them by a considerable margin even at Greggs inflated convenience prices
It's not a long lost relative of Paddington by any chance?
It's a bear hunt round Leeds but not Paddington bear its from the book We're going On a Bear Hunt
 

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Any ideas why there is a large white box erected nearby Boots and the passenger assistance point at the moment?

So much for all that open space on the concourse they once had!
I'm worried it's going to be a 'thing', in the same way that we got the pod opposite it. But I remain hopeful that it's just work on the floor... otherwise, and already difficult to navigate corner in the peaks is going to be even worse. Doubt it'll be a food place, it's the wrong point to put one in. The pop-up food place in the Northern Concourse was also a hazard when rushing through, but now we have the Bears of Leeds ((c) Sheffield, 2021) until September.
There's another one near the old wagon hoist too.
I think there's 32 large bears - I downloaded the map. There's one on Cookridge Street, so I've seen three now, but they go out as far as the Armouries.
 

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Worth noting that the second pop-up food stall on the concourse has gone again. The space is now occupied by a bear.

Hoping that the white box will go and reveal a Greggs.
No Greggs I'm afraid, although the white box has been taken down to reveal some work on the floor and fenced off.
 

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