I am going to be going from Liverpool Lime Street to Manchester (any of the city centre stations is fine) next week. Most likely on Tuesday with a friend returning same day. We want to go about 10am and come back in the evening. We would really like to have some flexibility on which return train we can get home. At the same time we don't want an excessive journey time. I hold a Merseytravel issued Disabled Concession Pass and a Disabled Person's Railcard. My friend holds a Young Person's Railcard The cheapest option I can find is using my PTE travel pass to Newton le Willows then I get a Off Peak Day Return Newton le Willows to Manchester. My friend would need to get an Off Peak Day Return Liverpool to Manchester but he is saying this is still quite expensive. He has noticed the Northern Only Off Peak Day Return but if I was to go via Newton le Willows using this, would it mean we'd have to get the all stations stopper?