LMSR London long distance departures, 1928 Plus LNER London departures 1936

[Bevan Price]

Following the recent post about London / Liverpool services circa 1923, perhaps some of you might be interested in departures from London Euston & St. Pancras in the Summer 1928 timetable.
Inner suburban services have been excluded. Weekday services only; Sunday services were rather sparse.
Times "translated" to 24-hour clock.
Notes: TC = Through Carriages (portions) attached to the main train; SC = Sleeping cars.

London Euston departures:
00:30 Liverpool Lime St. (SC). TC to Glasgow St. Enoch via Kilmarnock.
00:35 Manchester London Road (SC)
02:30 Birmingham New St.
02:35 Liverpool Lime St.
05:25 Bletchley
06:45 Carlisle (TC to Windermere)
07:35 (SO) Northampton (Castle)
08:30 Holyhead "The Irish Mail"
08:35 Bletchley
08:40 (SX) Manchester London Road via Stoke
09:00 Wolverhampton
09:10 (SX) Wolverhampton
09:30 Carlisle via Northampton. TC to Blackpool
10:00 Glasgow Central & Edinburgh Princes St. "The Royal Scot"
10:05 Perth. (Conveys TC Rugby - Glasgow & Edinburgh)
10:30 Manchester London Road via Crewe (Conveys TC to Colne & Birkenhead Woodside)
10:40 Liverpool Lime St. "The Manxman" (TC to Aberystwyth, Swansea (via Central Wales line) & Southport)
10:40 (separate train) Llandudno & Pwllheli
10:50 Bletchley
11:10 Llandudno, Pwllheli & Portmadoc. "The Welshman"
11:30 Wolverhampton
11:35 Workington. "The Lakes Express". TC to Windermere & Blackpool Central
11:50 Liverpool Lime St. (TC to Birkenhead Woodside)
12:00 Crewe
12:15 Bletchley
!2:50 (SO) Bletchley
13:30 Glasgow Central & Edinburgh Princes St. "The Mid-day Scot"
13:35 (SO) Bletchley
13:40 Aberdeen. TC to Whitehaven
14:05 Bletchley
14:20 Wolverhampton
14:50 Manchester London Road via Stoke
15:05 Rugby
15:45 (SO) Bletchley
16:00 Liverpool Lime St TC to Coventry (SX)
16:02 (SX) Bletchley
16:08 (SX) Bletchley
16:10 Manchester London Road via Stoke. "The Mancunian"
16:15 Birmingham New St. TC to Melton Mowbray via Northampton.
16:35 Wolverhampton
16:55 (SO) / 17:00 (SX) Bletchley
17:20 Blackpool Central. TC to Barrow
17:32 Rugby (splits at Bletchley into portions via Weedon & Northampton)
17:50 Wolverhampton
17:55 Liverpool Lime St. "The Merseyside Express" TC to Southport.
18:05 Manchester London Road "The Lancastrian"; first stop Stockport; TC to Colne, Huddersfield & Halifax.
18:07 Nothampton (SO) / Bletchley (SX)
18:10 (SX) / 18:40 (SO) Heysham "Ulster Express"
18:35 (SX) Bletchley
18:55 Wolverhampton
19:00 Birmingham New St
19:15 Bletchley.
19:20(SX) Inverness & Aberdeen. SC "The Royal Highlander"
19:30 (SX) Oban. SC.
19:40 (SX) Perth, Inverness & Aberdeen SC.
20:00 (SX) Stranraer Harbour. SC
20:45 Holyhead. SC. "The Irish Mail"
21:20 Glasgow Central. SC
21:30 (SX) Glasgow Central. SC.
21:55 Bletchley
23:05 (SO) Edinburgh & Dundee SC
23:45 Glasgow Central, also (SX) Edinburgh
00:00 Crewe via Birmingham.

(List from St. Pancras to follow in the next day or two)
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[Sad Sprinter]

Following the recent post about London / Liverpool services circa 1923, perhaps some of you might be interested in departures from London Euston & St. Pancras in the Summer 1928 timetable.
Inner suburban services have been excluded. Weekday services only; Sunday services were rather sparse.
Times "translated" to 24-hour clock.
Notes: TC = Through Carriages (portions) attached to the main train; SC = Sleeping cars.

London Euston departures:
00:30 Liverpool Lime St. (SC). TC to Glasgow St. Enoch via Kilmarnock.
00:35 Manchester London Road (SC)
02:30 Birmingham New St.
02:35 Liverpool Lime St.
05:25 Bletchley
06:45 Carlisle (TC to Windermere)
07:35 (SO) Northampton (Castle)
08:30 Holyhead "The Irish Mail"
08:35 Bletchley
08:40 (SX) Manchester London Road via Stoke
09:00 Wolverhampton
09:10 (SX) Wolverhampton
09:30 Carlisle via Northampton. TC to Blackpool
10:00 Glasgow Central & Edinburgh Princes St. "The Royal Scot"
10:05 Perth. (Conveys TC Rugby - Glasgow & Edinburgh)
10:30 Manchester London Road via Crewe (Conveys TC to Colne & Birkenhead Woodside)
10:40 Liverpool Lime St. "The Manxman" (TC to Aberystwyth, Swansea (via Central Wales line) & Southport)
10:40 (separate train) Llandudno & Pwllheli
10:50 Bletchley
11:10 Llandudno, Pwllheli & Potmadoc. "The Welshman"
11:30 Wolverhampton
11:35 Workington. "The Lakes Express". TC to Windermere & Blackpool Central
11:50 Liverpool Lime St. (TC to Birkenhead Woodside)
12:00 Crewe
12:15 Bletchley
!2:50 (SO) Bletchley
13:30 Glasgow Central & Edinburgh Princes St. "The Mid-day Scot"
13:35 (SO) Bletchley
13:40 Aberdeen. TC to Whitehaven
14:05 Bletchley
14:20 Wolverhampton
14:50 Manchester London Road via Stoke
15:05 Rugby
15:45 (SO) Bletchley
16:00 Liverpool Lime St TC to Coventry (SX)
16:02 (SX) Bletchley
16:08 (SX) Bletchley
16:10 Manchester London Road via Stoke. "The Mancunian"
16:15 Birmingham New St. TC to Melton Mowbray via Northampton.
16:35 Wolverhampton
16:55 (SO) / 17:00 (SX) Bletchley
17:20 Blackpool Central. TC to Barrow
17:32 Rugby (splits at Bletchley into portions via Weedon & Northampton)
17:50 Wolverhampton
17:55 Liverpool Lime St. "The Merseyside Express" TC to Southport.
18:05 Manchester London Road "The Lancastrian"; first stop Stockport; TC to Colne, Huddersfield & Halifax.
18:07 Nothampton (SO) / Bletchley (SX)
18:10 (SX) / 18:40 (SO) Heysham "Ulster Express"
18:35 (SX) Bletchley
18:55 Wolverhampton
19:00 Birmingham New St
19:15 Bletchley.
19:20(SX) Inverness & Aberdeen. SC "The Royal Highlander"
19:30 (SX) Oban. SC.
19:40 (SX) Perth, Inverness & Aberdeen SC.
20:00 (SX) Stranraer Harbour. SC
20:45 Holyhead. SC. "The Irish Mail"
21:20 Glasgow Central. SC
21:30 (SX) Glasgow Central. SC.
21:55 Bletchley
23:05 (SO) Edinburgh & Dundee SC
23:45 Glasgow Central, also (SX) Edinburgh
00:00 Crewe via Birmingham.

(List from St. Pancras to follow in the next day or two)
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Looking forward to the St Pancras departures

 

[Gloster]

And fifty years later there hadn’t been a massive change in the times of the overnight departures. And nothing in the middle of the night to Brum.

 

[Bevan Price]

London St. Pancras long distance departures, Summer 1928.
Trains to , or North of Derby or Nottingham are via Leicester unless otherwise indicated.
02:25 Manchester Central
04:25 Manchester Central.
06:25 Kettering
07:45 Kettering
08:25 Manchester Central. Conveys TC from Tilbury Marine to Manchester. "Continental Boat Express".
09:00 Edinburgh Waverley. (First stop Nottingham) "Thames-Forth Express". TC to Halifax; also TC Nottingham - Glasgow St. Enoch.
09:25 Bedford , continued from Bedford - Leicester. (connection at Bedford for Northampton St. John's Street)
09:50 Glasgow St. Enoch. Conveys TC Tilbury Marine - Glasgow. "Continental Boat Express".
10:25 (SX) Manchester Central.
11:00 Sheffield Midland via Melton Mowbray & Nottingham
11:30 (SX) /11:35 (SO) Bedford. (later continues to Wellingborough)
11:40 (SO) Leeds
11:45 Glasgow St. Enoch. "The Thames-Clyde Express". (On SX, TC to Harrogate & Edinburgh)
12:25 Manchester Central. TC to Liverpool Central
12:55 (SO)/ 13:00 (SX) Nottingham via Melton Mowbray
13:50 Bradford Exchange. TC to Huddersfield & Halifax. "Yorkshire Express".
14:15 Bedford
14:25 Manchester Central. TC to Buxton
14:45 Kettering
15:30 Leeds & Bradford
15:35 Kettering
16:25 Manchester Central. TC to Liverpool Central.
16:30 Nottingham
16:40 Bedford
16:55 Bradford Exchange. "The Yorkshireman" (non-stop Leicester to Sheffield)
17:00 Heysham via Nottingham & Leeds via Melton Mowbray. Conveys TC Kettering - Leicester.
17:05 (SX) Bedford
17:32 (SX) Bedford
18:15 Leeds & Halifax
18:25 Manchester Central
18:30 Leicester
20:25 Bedford
21:15 Edinburgh Waverley. SC. TC to Aberdeen
21:30 (SX) Glasgow St. Enoch. SC.
23:40 (SO) Bedford.
23:45 (SO) Glasgow St. Enoch SC
23:50 (SO) Leeds
00:05 Manchester Victoria

 

[Sir Felix Pole]

It is interesting to see that the Midland route had an attractive two hourly regular interval service to Manchester, yet the LNW route had random departures with a four hour gap in the middle of the day. The number of through coaches to various destinations is amazing - wonder how many takers there were from Tilbury Marine?

 

[Sad Sprinter]

It is interesting to see that the Midland route had an attractive two hourly regular interval service to Manchester, yet the LNW route had random departures with a four hour gap in the middle of the day. The number of through coaches to various destinations is amazing - wonder how many takers there were from Tilbury Marine?

I noticed that too, I expect the LNW route were actually the fast expresses whilst the Midland Manchesters were more of a stopper service?

Great thread OP. I've had a soft spot for the LMS ever since my Dad brought me the Hornby of the Duchess of Buccleuch for my 8th Christmas many years with a rake of lovely LMS coaches. I've always wanted to make a Southern layout but this thread has got me dreaming of a 1920s/30s LMS layout now...

Do you have any more timetables from the era? It would be great to compare with the Great Central

 

[Revaulx]

Interesting that two of the St Pancras departures are to Bradford Exchange; I’d have expected their Midland heritage to have taken them to Forster Square.

Presumably they didn’t go through Leeds. What route(s) would they have taken?

 

[zwk500]

It is interesting to see that the Midland route had an attractive two hourly regular interval service to Manchester, yet the LNW route had random departures with a four hour gap in the middle of the day. The number of through coaches to various destinations is amazing - wonder how many takers there were from Tilbury Marine?

Given Tilbury was London's Ocean Liner port at that point, I would have thought decent numbers would be using the through services.

Do you have any more timetables from the era? It would be great to compare with the Great Central

There are a handful of 1920's timetables on Timetable World, one Bradshaws (incomplete) as well. https://timetableworld.com/timetables.php

 

[AY1975]

And fifty years later there hadn’t been a massive change in the times of the overnight departures. And nothing in the middle of the night to Brum.

50 years? Surely you mean 100 years (well, 95 years, as 1923 was 100 years ago and 1928 was 95 years ago)?

It is interesting to see that the Midland route had an attractive two hourly regular interval service to Manchester, yet the LNW route had random departures with a four hour gap in the middle of the day. The number of through coaches to various destinations is amazing - wonder how many takers there were from Tilbury Marine?

Interesting that two of the St Pancras departures are to Bradford Exchange; I’d have expected their Midland heritage to have taken them to Forster Square.

Presumably they didn’t go through Leeds. What route(s) would they have taken?

It's also interesting that except on Saturday nights Euston had two sleeping car trains to Glasgow within the space of ten minutes: 21.20 and 21.30, and that on Saturday nights only there was an Edinburgh and Dundee sleeper from Euston. Also interesting that there were both daytime and sleeper trains to Aberdeen from Euston (the sleeper being a portion of the Inverness train by the look of it). 13.40 to Aberdeen surely wouldn't have got there until about midnight-ish in those days, though.

It would also be interesting to see the King's Cross and Paddington departures from that era.

 

[Gloster]

50 years? Surely you mean 100 years (well, 95 years, as 1923 was 100 years ago and 1928 was 95 years ago)?

No, fifty years, near enough. I looked at the 1975 timetable because it still had a lot of night trains and more varied destinations.

 

[Sir Felix Pole]

Interesting that two of the St Pancras departures are to Bradford Exchange; I’d have expected their Midland heritage to have taken them to Forster Square.

Presumably they didn’t go through Leeds. What route(s) would they have taken?

They took the half-completed Midland 'Bradford cut-off' line, then via Halifax to Exchange. This routing for passenger services was quickly abandoned in the '30s depression.

 

[70014IronDuke]

What I find fascinating is the paucity of 'morning peak' business trains going north from Euston. Sure, there is an 06.45 to Carlisle (I suspect that was a 'sweeper' picking up at most major stations on the line?), but then nothing on a weekday until the 08.30 Holyhead.

First to Wolves at 09.00 and nothing directly to Liverpool until 10.40!

Thanks for posting, Bevan.

 

[AY1975]

No, fifty years, near enough. I looked at the 1975 timetable because it still had a lot of night trains and more varied destinations.

Yes, very true.

 

[6Gman]

Following the recent post about London / Liverpool services circa 1923, perhaps some of you might be interested in departures from London Euston & St. Pancras in the Summer 1928 timetable.
Inner suburban services have been excluded. Weekday services only; Sunday services were rather sparse.
Times "translated" to 24-hour clock.
Notes: TC = Through Carriages (portions) attached to the main train; SC = Sleeping cars.

London Euston departures:
00:30 Liverpool Lime St. (SC). TC to Glasgow St. Enoch via Kilmarnock.
00:35 Manchester London Road (SC)
02:30 Birmingham New St.
02:35 Liverpool Lime St.
05:25 Bletchley
06:45 Carlisle (TC to Windermere)
07:35 (SO) Northampton (Castle)
08:30 Holyhead "The Irish Mail"
08:35 Bletchley
08:40 (SX) Manchester London Road via Stoke
09:00 Wolverhampton
09:10 (SX) Wolverhampton
09:30 Carlisle via Northampton. TC to Blackpool
10:00 Glasgow Central & Edinburgh Princes St. "The Royal Scot"
10:05 Perth. (Conveys TC Rugby - Glasgow & Edinburgh)
10:30 Manchester London Road via Crewe (Conveys TC to Colne & Birkenhead Woodside)
10:40 Liverpool Lime St. "The Manxman" (TC to Aberystwyth, Swansea (via Central Wales line) & Southport)
10:40 (separate train) Llandudno & Pwllheli
10:50 Bletchley
11:10 Llandudno, Pwllheli & Portmadoc. "The Welshman"
11:30 Wolverhampton
11:35 Workington. "The Lakes Express". TC to Windermere & Blackpool Central
11:50 Liverpool Lime St. (TC to Birkenhead Woodside)
12:00 Crewe
12:15 Bletchley
!2:50 (SO) Bletchley
13:30 Glasgow Central & Edinburgh Princes St. "The Mid-day Scot"
13:35 (SO) Bletchley
13:40 Aberdeen. TC to Whitehaven
14:05 Bletchley
14:20 Wolverhampton
14:50 Manchester London Road via Stoke
15:05 Rugby
15:45 (SO) Bletchley
16:00 Liverpool Lime St TC to Coventry (SX)
16:02 (SX) Bletchley
16:08 (SX) Bletchley
16:10 Manchester London Road via Stoke. "The Mancunian"
16:15 Birmingham New St. TC to Melton Mowbray via Northampton.
16:35 Wolverhampton
16:55 (SO) / 17:00 (SX) Bletchley
17:20 Blackpool Central. TC to Barrow
17:32 Rugby (splits at Bletchley into portions via Weedon & Northampton)
17:50 Wolverhampton
17:55 Liverpool Lime St. "The Merseyside Express" TC to Southport.
18:05 Manchester London Road "The Lancastrian"; first stop Stockport; TC to Colne, Huddersfield & Halifax.
18:07 Nothampton (SO) / Bletchley (SX)
18:10 (SX) / 18:40 (SO) Heysham "Ulster Express"
18:35 (SX) Bletchley
18:55 Wolverhampton
19:00 Birmingham New St
19:15 Bletchley.
19:20(SX) Inverness & Aberdeen. SC "The Royal Highlander"
19:30 (SX) Oban. SC.
19:40 (SX) Perth, Inverness & Aberdeen SC.
20:00 (SX) Stranraer Harbour. SC
20:45 Holyhead. SC. "The Irish Mail"
21:20 Glasgow Central. SC
21:30 (SX) Glasgow Central. SC.
21:55 Bletchley
23:05 (SO) Edinburgh & Dundee SC
23:45 Glasgow Central, also (SX) Edinburgh
00:00 Crewe via Birmingham.

(List from St. Pancras to follow in the next day or two)
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"The Manxman" doesn't seem the obvious choice for travel from London to Swansea !

 

[Gloster]

"The Manxman" doesn't seem the obvious choice for travel from London to Swansea !

I think that was a coach detached at Stafford and then worked across to Wellington and Shrewsbury and via Llandrindod Wells to Swansea Victoria.

 

[Bevan Price]

As requested, Great Central Railway, July 1903 (Ian Allan timetable reprint).
Long distance departures from London Marylebone.

02:45 Manchester Central ("Newspaper Express")
07:10 Leicester Central) ; most stations north of Aylesbury; connection at Woodford & Hinton** to Stratford upon Avon.
08:45 Manchester London Road. TC to Manchester Victoria.
10:00 Huddersfield & Bradford Exchange. TC to Manchester London Road
11:35 Brackley Central
12:15 (Summer only) Scarborough via Sheffield & York. TC to Huddersfield, Bradford Exchange & Manchester London Road
13:40 Manchester London Road. TC to Huddersfield & Bradford Exchange
15:25 Leeds via Wakefield. First stop Sheffield Victoria, TC (slip coach) for Leicester Central, Nottingham, Worksop, Grimsby & Cleethorpes.
16:00 Nottingham Victoria
16:30 Manchester London Road. TC to Huddersfield & Halifax
17:10 Woodford Halse (most stations north of Aylesury)
17:40 Bradford Exchange. TC to Manchester London Road,
18:05 Leicester Central (most stations north of Aylesbury)
19:30 Leicester Central (ditto)
22:00 Manchester London Road & Liverpool Central. Conveys TC, Nottingham Victoria - York.
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** Woodford & Hinton was later renamed Woodford Halse. The village largely existed for railway workers at the local motive power depot and sidings.
It was also the junction for the line to Banbury (GWR) and the Stratford & Midland Junction Railway from Blisworth (LNWR) to Stratford Upon Avon (Low Town) / Broom.

 

[Revaulx]

They took the half-completed Midland 'Bradford cut-off' line, then via Halifax to Exchange. This routing for passenger services was quickly abandoned in the '30s depression.

Ah ok that makes sense.

The LNER (ex GC) service via Penistone and Huddersfield lasted a good bit longer then.

 

[70014IronDuke]

London St. Pancras long distance departures, Summer 1928.
Trains to , or North of Derby or Nottingham are via Leicester unless otherwise indicated.
02:25 Manchester Central
04:25 Manchester Central.

This latter train stayed the same into the 1960s, though by 1968 it terminated at Derby.

06:25 Kettering
07:45 Kettering
08:25 Manchester Central. Conveys TC from Tilbury Marine to Manchester. "Continental Boat Express".
09:00 Edinburgh Waverley. (First stop Nottingham) "Thames-Forth Express". TC to Halifax; also TC Nottingham - Glasgow St. Enoch.
09:25 Bedford , continued from Bedford - Leicester. (connection at Bedford for Northampton St. John's Street)

Interesting that they put this connection in. Can't imagine many people using the connection, but why not try it, at least!

09:50 Glasgow St. Enoch. Conveys TC Tilbury Marine - Glasgow. "Continental Boat Express".
10:25 (SX) Manchester Central.
11:00 Sheffield Midland via Melton Mowbray & Nottingham
11:30 (SX) /11:35 (SO) Bedford. (later continues to Wellingborough)
11:40 (SO) Leeds
11:45 Glasgow St. Enoch. "The Thames-Clyde Express". (On SX, TC to Harrogate & Edinburgh)

Gosh! This is a very late departure time. It must have arrived at St Enoch around 21.00, I should think? Not much time to reach home unless in central Glasgow.

12:25 Manchester Central. TC to Liverpool Central
12:55 (SO)/ 13:00 (SX) Nottingham via Melton Mowbray
13:50 Bradford Exchange. TC to Huddersfield & Halifax. "Yorkshire Express".
14:15 Bedford
14:25 Manchester Central. TC to Buxton
14:45 Kettering
15:30 Leeds & Bradford
15:35 Kettering

Interesting to see the number of trains that terminated at Kettering back in those days. Were these stoppers north of Bedford, or just Wellingboro, Kettering? (I suspect the former.)

 

[eldomtom2]

It is interesting to see that the Midland route had an attractive two hourly regular interval service to Manchester, yet the LNW route had random departures with a four hour gap in the middle of the day.

Of course this was post-Grouping, so my immediate thought was that there was perhaps been some shuffling around of services now that there was no need for each terminal to provide similar levels of long-distance service. Of course I have no idea if this was the case - scheduling history is a particularly underappreciated field.

 

[Shimbleshanks]

Was that really the sum total of through trains to North Wales? 08.30, the couple of mid-morning departures and then nothing until the 20.45 overnight(ish) departure. I suppose there would have been corrections at Crewe off some of those other trains. Maybe there wasn't much demand for business travel to the area back in those days.

 

[Gloster]

Was that really the sum total of through trains to North Wales? 08.30, the couple of mid-morning departures and then nothing until the 20.45 overnight(ish) departure. I suppose there would have been corrections at Crewe off some of those other trains. Maybe there wasn't much demand for business travel to the area back in those days.

Business travel in those days was much more orientated towards travelling to and from London as things were much more concentrated in the capital. It was also normal for people to travel one-way overnight: maybe up to London overnight, a days work and then back on an evening train, or up on the early train and home overnight. And the reverse for people travelling out of London. For North Wales the 08.30 would have been suitable for most general travellers: it might carry some business people, but anything later meant not getting to your destination until too late to transact any business and so spending an unnecessary night in a hotel before starting the following morning. (This is a broad-brush explanation.)

 

[Sir Felix Pole]

The Holyhead services were of course orientated towards the Dun Laoghaire day and night boats, a very important source of revenue then. Apart from the 'Irish Mail' North Wales didn't have much of a through service from Euston until after WCML electrification.

 

[Bevan Price]

To add to the LMSR lists, I am starting with LNER departures from the Summer 1936 timetable.

London Liverpool Street long distance services - split into separate lists for the Essex/Norwich & Cambridge lines.
Notes. Sum = Summer only service.
Trains for Yarmouth South Town ran via Ipswich to Beccles, then via the now closed line to Yarmouth South Town,,
Some trains split at Ipswich with separate portions for Norwich & Yarmouth South Town.
Trains to Cromer mostly used the long-closed GER station at Cromer High.
Trains to both Lowestoft & Yarmouth split at Beccles
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05:00 Norwich & Yarmouth South Town (most stations after Ipswich)
06:55 Ipswich (SX) or Stowmarket (SO) (most stations from London)
07:30 Chelmsford; Sum SO extended to Clacton. (most stations)
08:15 Norwich & Yarmouth South Town
08:18 Clacton
08:45 Ipswich (most stations)
09:36 (SO, Sum) Yarmouth South Town
09:48 (Sum) Norwich TC to Cromer. (On some dates, a relief train seems to have departed at 09:45, but timetable is a bit vague.)
09:52 (MFSO, Sum) Lowestoft Central. TC to Yarmouth Town on MFO.
10:00 (SO, Sum) Harwich Parkeston Quay
10:03 Norwich, Lowestoft Central & Yarmouth South Town
10:12 (Sum) Ipswich
10:20 Lowestoft Central & Yarmouth South Town. TC to Norwich on SX
10:23 Clacton (semi fast)
10:26 Clacton (non-stop, overtakes 10:23 departure)
10:46 Ipswich (most stations)
11:26 (SO, Sum) Clacton
11:30 Ipswich. TC (Sum, SO) to Clacton & Walton.
12:25 (MFSO, Sum) Cromer (via Norwich avoiding line)
12:28 (SO, Sum) Sheringham
12:30 (SO, Sum) Yarmouth South Town
12:33 Cromer ia Norwich
12:36 Clacton
12:55 (SO) Maldon East and Heybridge
12:56 Lowestoft Central
12:58 (Sum, SO)/13:00 (Sum, SX) Ipswich; TC to - Yarmouth South Town on some dates.
13:30 Clacton
13:33 (SX, Sum) Clacton
13:33 (SO) Ipswich, most stations
13:41 (SX) Witham, most stations
14:03 (SO, Sum) Clacton
14:15 Ipswich
15:15 Yarmouth South Town & Lowestoft Central (fast)
15:20 Yarmouth South Town & Lowestoft Central (all stations north of Ipswich)
15:32 Ipswich (most stations)
15:40 Norwich. TC to Yamouth Vauxhall
15:43 Clacton
16:10 Harwich Pakeston Quay, then Town. "The Scandinavian"
16:18 Colchester
16:54 Yarmouth South Town & Lowestoft Central.
16:57 Clacton
17:16 Cromer via Norwich. TC to Yarmouth Vauxhall
17:19 Shenfield (daily) / Ingatestone (SX)
17:30 Walton
17:42 Harwich Town & Ipswich
18:08 Chelmsford
18:39 Clacton
19:13 Manningtree
19:42 Lowestoft Central. TC to Yarmouth Town on SO.
20:15 (Sum) Harwich Parkeston Quay. "The Continental Express"
20:30 Harwich Parkeston Quay & Town. "The Hook Continental & Antwerp Express"
20:45 Ipswich
21:05 Ipswich (most stations)
22:35 (SX) Peterborough North via Ipswich & Bury St.Edmunds. TC to Norwich on SX.
23:52 (SO) Norwich.
00:00 (SO) Clacton.
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(Cambridge line to follow)
Running so many trains between 12:25 and 12:36 must have been rather hectic....

London Liverpool Street long distance departures, Cambridge Line.

04:25 Norwich via Cambridge (all stations after Cambridge)
05:56 Norwich via Cambridge (all stations after Broxbourne)
07:18 Cambridge (all stations after Broxbourne)
08:30 Hunstanton
10:00 (SO) Hunstanton
10:05 (Sum, SO) Yarmouth Vauxhall via Cambridge (omits Norwich)
10:05 Ely
11:50 Hunstanton. TC to Norwich (SX)
11:55 (SO) Hunstanton
12:30 Cambridge (all stations after Harlow)
12:49 Cambridge (all stations after Tottenham)
13:19 (SO) Cambridge
14:37 Ely (SO) or Norwich (SX)
14:42 (SO) Yarmouth Vauxhall via Cambridge
14:48 Cambridge (most stations)
16:15 Ely
16:45 Bury St. Edmunds via Cambridge
17:20 (SX) Cambridge
17:49 Hunstanton
18:30 Cambridge
19:10 Norwich via Cambridge
20:22 Cambridge
22:12 Norwich via Cambridge
23:50 (ThSO) Cambridge.

In addition, Liverpool Street to Bishops Stortford calling at most stations:
06:30; 09:10; 10:37(SX); 10:41(SO); 14:00 (SO)/14:01(SX); 17:10 (SO); 18:07 (to Broxbourne); 21:14; 23:50 (WO).

Liverpool Street to Southend Victoria.
The current service is mostly all stations between Shenfield and Southend , most trains also calling at Stratford, and one per hour calling at Romford.
The 1936 pattern was much more variable, with some trains having additional stops between Stratford & Shenfield, whilst others ran fas from Liverpool Street to stations such as Billericay or Rayleigh; a few split at Shenfield, with separate fast and slow portions for Southend. The fastest journeys took about 60 minutes, slower trains taking about 90 minutes.
Liverpool Street departures:
05:10; 05:38; 06:55; 07:47; 08:32; 08:45; 09:01; 09:06; 09:26; 10:06; 10:30; 10:46; 10:49 (SO); 11:21 (SO); 11:56 (SO)/12:00 (SX);
12:18 (SO); 12:19 (SX); 12:46 (SO); 13:13 (SO); 13:20; 13:50 (SO); 14:00 (SX); 14:23 (SO); 14:30; 14:50 (SX);
14:58 (SO); 15:32; 16:15; 16:18; 16:48 (SX); 17:00; 17:22 (SX); 18:01 (SX); 18:05 (SX) / 18:08 (SO); 18:26; 18:42 (SX); 19:10 (SX);
19:13; 19:53; 20:48; 21:05; 21:45; 22:28 (SO); 23:00; 00:00.

Also 13:27 (SO); 14:40 (SO) to Southminster.


(Kings Cross departures to follow)

London Kings Cross long distance departures, Summer 1936.
(Edinburgh = Waverley, Glasgow = Queen Street: Leeds is normally Leeds Central. Sheffield is Sheffield Victoria. Peterborough is Peterborough North)

01:05 Edinburgh. SC also for Darlington & Newcastle.
01:10 Hull
04:45 Glasgow. Conveys Leeds & Sheffield to Glasgow portions.
05:02 Peterborough (most stations)
07:10 Cambridge (slow)
07:25 Edinburgh & Leeds
07:45 Peterborough (most stations)
08:45 Doncaster (SX) or York (SO)
09:20 (SO) Glasgow
10:00 Edinburgh (non-stop) "The Flying Scotsman"
10:05 Perth & Aberdeen. Passengers for beyond Edinburgh only.
10:10 (Sum, SO) Edinburgh. Passengers for Berwick & Edinburgh only.
10:15 (Sum, SO) Edinburgh
10:40 (SO) Huntindon
10:50 (SX) Peterborough
10:55 (Sum, SO) Scarborough.
11:10 (Sum) Scarborough. "The Scarborough Flyer". TC to Whitby.
11:20 Glasgow via Leeds & Harrogate. "The Queen of Scots" Pullman.
11:25 (Sum, SO) Whitby
11:30 Yprk
11:50 (Sum, SO) Glasgow.
12:00 (Sum, SO) Tyne Commission Quay.
12:15 (SO) / 12:40 (SX) Cambridge. "Garden Cities and Cambridge Buffet Express".
12:40 (SO) Hitchin
12:54 (SO) Baldock
13:05 (MFSO) Newcastle & Tyne Commission Quay in Sum. "The Norseman"
13:07 (SO) Baldock
13:20 Edinburgh
13:30 Hull & Leeds
13:40 (Sum SO) Scarborough & Filey TC to Whitby.
13:40 (Daily in Winter, SX in Summer) Ripon via Harrogate. TC to Sheffield on SX.
13:45 (SX) Peterborough
13:50 (Sum, SO) Ripon . TC to Skegness & Sheffield.
13:54 (SO) Huntingdon.
14:05 (SX) / 14:10 (SO) Cambridge "Garden Cities and Cambridge Buffet Express".
14:30 (Sum, SO) Edinburgh. TC to Whitby.
15:00 Boston & Cromer Beach
15:50 Leeds & Bradford Exchange
16:00 Newcastle & Cleethorpes. TC to Horncastle (FSO) and Skegness (MFSO)
16:15 Grantham
16:45. Leeds, Bradford, Harrogate & Hull. "The Yorkshire Pullman".
17:00 Peterborough.
17:10 Baldock
17:30 Newcastle. "The Silver Jubilee"
17:34 (SX) Baldock
17:45 Newcastle. TC to Hull.
17:54 (SO) / 18:02 (SX) Baldock.
17:50 Leeds & Harrogate. TC to Lincoln
18:15 Peterborogh; separate stopping portion Hitchin to Huntingdon.
18:30 Baldock
18:55 Hitchin
19:15 Hull
19:25 (SX) Fort William & Inverness. SC. "The Highlandman"
19:40 (SX) Aberdeen. SC. "The Aberdonian"
19:50 Royston.
20:10 Cambridge "Garden Cities and Cambridge Buffet Express".
20:25 Edinburgh
21:10 Baldock
21:55 Hitchin.
22:05 Hitchin (SX) or Letchworth (SO).
22:25 Aberdeen (SO) and Perth. SC. Passengers for beyond Edinburgh only."The Night Scotsman"
22:35 Edinburgh SC. Portion to North Berwick.
22:45 Newcastle. SC.
22:50 Huntingdon.
22:53 (FSO) Newcastle via Sunderland. SC.
23:00 (SX) Letchworth
23:10 (SO) Hitchin.
23:40 Cambridge "Garden Cities and Cambridge Buffet Express".
23:45 (SO) Newcastle
23:45 (SO) Letchworth

 

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As requested, Great Central Railway, July 1903 (Ian Allan timetable reprint).
Long distance departures from London Marylebone.

02:45 Manchester Central ("Newspaper Express")
07:10 Leicester Central) ; most stations north of Aylesbury; connection at Woodford & Hinton** to Stratford upon Avon.
08:45 Manchester London Road. TC to Manchester Victoria.
10:00 Huddersfield & Bradford Exchange. TC to Manchester London Road
11:35 Brackley Central
12:15 (Summer only) Scarborough via Sheffield & York. TC to Huddersfield, Bradford Exchange & Manchester London Road
13:40 Manchester London Road. TC to Huddersfield & Bradford Exchange
15:25 Leeds via Wakefield. First stop Sheffield Victoria, TC (slip coach) for Leicester Central, Nottingham, Worksop, Grimsby & Cleethorpes.
16:00 Nottingham Victoria
16:30 Manchester London Road. TC to Huddersfield & Halifax
17:10 Woodford Halse (most stations north of Aylesury)
17:40 Bradford Exchange. TC to Manchester London Road,
18:05 Leicester Central (most stations north of Aylesbury)
19:30 Leicester Central (ditto)
22:00 Manchester London Road & Liverpool Central. Conveys TC, Nottingham Victoria - York.
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** Woodford & Hinton was later renamed Woodford Halse. The village largely existed for railway workers at the local motive power depot and sidings.
It was also the junction for the line to Banbury (GWR) and the Stratford & Midland Junction Railway from Blisworth (LNWR) to Stratford Upon Avon (Low Town) / Broom.

Thanks again for this great thread. Just going back to this, with so little trains leaving Marylebone during this era with most alternating it seems, between Manchester and Bradford, what services served the most local stations in London? Like Sudbury Hill etc.

 

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Thanks again for this great thread. Just going back to this, with so little trains leaving Marylebone during this era with most alternating it seems, between Manchester and Bradford, what services served the most local stations in London? Like Sudbury Hill etc.

There were stopping trains by both routes.

 

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@Bevan Price Interesting that several of the Kings Cross ones were for Aberdeen and Perth.

I’d always regarded Perth as having been an LMS stronghold. What route did its portion take; did it come off at Dundee Tay Bridge?

 

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@Bevan Price Interesting that several of the Kings Cross ones were for Aberdeen and Perth.

I’d always regarded Perth as having been an LMS stronghold. What route did its portion take; did it come off at Dundee Tay Bridge?

The Dunfermline-Glenfarg-Perth line was ex-North British, so LNER, so I expect the through cars went that way?

 

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@Bevan Price Interesting that several of the Kings Cross ones were for Aberdeen and Perth.

I’d always regarded Perth as having been an LMS stronghold. What route did its portion take; did it come off at Dundee Tay Bridge?

I think it would go via Dunfermline Lower and Kinross Jcn., that was fairly traditional for Perth/Inverness trains until the Glenfarg shut. The Fair Maid from King's Cross went that way to Perth in the 1950s.

 

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Was there a difference between splitting trains and trains with through coaches to different destinations?

 

[Bevan Price]

Was there a difference between splitting trains and trains with through coaches to different destinations?

Not really, except for the special case of "slip coaches".
Trains could be split into two portions, e.g. on the WCML where northbound trains might stop at Carstairs, and divide into separate portions for Glasgow & Edinburgh.
Or there could be multiple portions, as for example on the LSWR/Southern Railway/Region, at certain times of the year, the Atlantic Coast Express had the main train from Waterloo to Plymouth, but detached coaches for here, there & everywhere, that proceeded as separate short trains, e.g. to resorts like Sidmouth, Ilfracombe, Bude, etc.
Slip trains were a special case where a mechanism allowed the rear coach or two to be detached ("slipped") from a moving train; momentum carried those coaches to the next station, whilst the express continued non-stop through that station.