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LNER Class 91/Mk4 service status/withdrawals/2021 refurbishment
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XCTurbostar
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Heres a list:
August 2022 Edition
Class 91 locos:
91101 - LNER Ex-VTEC Red - Flying Scotsman
91105 - LNER White and Oxblood
91106 - LNER Ex-VTEC Red
91107 - LNER Ex-VTEC Red
91109 - LNER Ex-VTEC Red
91110 - Battle of Britain Memorial Flight (Updated 2022)
91111 - For the Fallen (Updated 2022)
91114 - LNER Ex-VTEC Red - Durham Cathedral
91119 - InterCity Swallow
91124 - LNER Ex-VTEC Red
91127 - LNER White and Oxblood
91130 - LNER Ex-VTEC Red
Mk4 Carriage Sets:
NL06 - LNER Ex-VTEC Red
NL08 - LNER Ex-VTEC Red
NL12 - LNER Ex-VTEC Red
NL13 - LNER Ex-VTEC Red
NL15 - LNER White and Oxblood (At Doncaster being repainted)
NL16 - LNER Ex-VTEC Red
NL17 - LNER White and Oxblood
NL26 - LNER Ex-VTEC Red
Mk4 Driving Van Trailers (DVTs):
82205 - LNER Ex-VTEC Red - Flying Scotswoman
82208 - LNER Ex-VTEC Red
82211 - LNER Ex-VTEC Red
82212 - LNER Ex-VTEC Red
82213 - LNER Ex-VTEC Red
82214 - LNER White and Oxblood (At Doncaster being repainted)
82215 - LNER Ex-VTEC Red
82222 - LNER Ex-VTEC Red
82223 - LNER Ex-VTEC Red
82225 - LNER White and Oxblood
August 2022 Edition
Class 91 locos:
91101 - LNER Ex-VTEC Red - Flying Scotsman
91105 - LNER White and Oxblood
91106 - LNER Ex-VTEC Red
91107 - LNER Ex-VTEC Red
91109 - LNER Ex-VTEC Red
91110 - Battle of Britain Memorial Flight (Updated 2022)
91111 - For the Fallen (Updated 2022)
91114 - LNER Ex-VTEC Red - Durham Cathedral
91119 - InterCity Swallow
91124 - LNER Ex-VTEC Red
91127 - LNER White and Oxblood
91130 - LNER Ex-VTEC Red
Mk4 Carriage Sets:
NL06 - LNER Ex-VTEC Red
NL08 - LNER Ex-VTEC Red
NL12 - LNER Ex-VTEC Red
NL13 - LNER Ex-VTEC Red
NL15 - LNER White and Oxblood (At Doncaster being repainted)
NL16 - LNER Ex-VTEC Red
NL17 - LNER White and Oxblood
NL26 - LNER Ex-VTEC Red
Mk4 Driving Van Trailers (DVTs):
82205 - LNER Ex-VTEC Red - Flying Scotswoman
82208 - LNER Ex-VTEC Red
82211 - LNER Ex-VTEC Red
82212 - LNER Ex-VTEC Red
82213 - LNER Ex-VTEC Red
82214 - LNER White and Oxblood (At Doncaster being repainted)
82215 - LNER Ex-VTEC Red
82222 - LNER Ex-VTEC Red
82223 - LNER Ex-VTEC Red
82225 - LNER White and Oxblood
91101 will be in Intercity colours when it is released from Wabtec, where it currently is.
91130 is also now Intercity colours, and was due to be released from Wabtec on today with a full liveried set, but wasn’t.
Fuzzytop
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The 225 Group fleet list has this as a spares donor. I don't think it's turned a wheel in service since coming out of Worksop.
Is it definitely 91130? As I remember that being out in service only about a week ago!
Just what I got told, although now seen a pic of 91101 in Wabtec on a full liveried set, loco in intercity colours still with name plate attached.
Sorry if it came across as I didn’t believe you, I was just more surprised how quickly they are getting these repaints done!
Pit_buzzer
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They're not intercity repaints, only 91 119 is in intercity. It's a new LNER livery that resembles inter City if you ignore the different colours and door treatments
LNER are referring to it as Intercity, they now call the fleet Intercity 225, so for the purpose of this thread we shall also call it Intercity Livery.
TT-ONR-NRN
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I wonder if LNER had to get any official permissions to replicate a former BR livery?
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"Intercity" alone is misleading. "LNER Intercity" is a passable compromise.
TT-ONR-NRN
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Quite. It would potentially be different were it not for the fact LNER actually have an example of a unit in genuine InterCity (91119) making use of the term for a completely different livery especially confusing.
I mean, I'm enough of a pedant to say that I wouldn't accept it being referred to as "Intercity" even if 91119 hadn't ever been dressed-up, but the fact that it was is certainly extra ammunition
DanNCL
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The livery on 91119 isn’t an exact replica either, indeed in some aspects the new LNER version of it bears more resemblance to the original livery than what 91119 carries.
Hopefully the opportunity will be taken when it reaches its turn for repaint to put 91119 in a more accurate version of Intercity swallow than what it currently carries.
With regards to nameplates, all locos will retain their names when repainted.
Hopefully the opportunity will be taken when it reaches its turn for repaint to put 91119 in a more accurate version of Intercity swallow than what it currently carries.
With regards to nameplates, all locos will retain their names when repainted.
if allowed would you be able to share the pic of 91101 please?
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there's a shot of it just been posted to Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/groups/Cl91APG/posts/5401124036649153/if allowed would you be able to share the pic of 91101 please?
I quite like the look, shame that it's no longer a celebrity!
Oh yes thanks for letting me
know! And yes me too!
mvm03
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Heard some rumours about staff being retrained on 91s so they can go to Newcastle and have just seen some comments on 225 group Facebook that this has now been cancelled, can anybody confirm this?
No
As it’s the railway, things may change, but currently no plans.
Not happening, was planned to start a week ago with crew training trips, all cancelled for foreseeable future.
As it’s the railway, things may change, but currently no plans.
DanNCL
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Nothing to say it won’t happen in the future but the idea isn’t being progressed at present.
It was supposed to be in conjunction with the May 2023 major timetable change so I wonder if the timetable recast has been deferred again.
Let’s say cost is the issue, when someone saw that all Newcastle drivers and TMs would need to released for training, a stop was soon put on it!
mvm03
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Oh right thats a shame, thanks anyway.
DanNCL
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I can’t elaborate too much on this but I understand that work is ongoing behind the scenes on the political side of things regarding this issue.
Let’s just say that many of the local politicians are as unhappy about this as the enthusiasts are.
why would politicians be involved? Surely as long as they get trains (Azuma or Mk4) it shouldn’t bother them?
DanNCL
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The issue isn’t the type of train but the capacity of it. There’s already one Newcastle service every Sunday that uses a solo 5 car 80x when there’s a Mark 4 set spare at Ferme Park the entire time, and there’s a very good chance that this will become a regular occurrence 7 days a week in May 2023 without anything in place to allow Mark 4 sets to work to Newcastle.
5 car 80xs should not have regular diagrammed worked solo to anywhere north of York apart from the daily Middlesbrough service.
I am party to some of the work going on behind the scenes on the political side of it but I am not able to share details at the present time, as I’m sure you’ll understand from your own work.
TT-ONR-NRN
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Surely it comes down to whether it’s a 5 or 9 carriage Azuma? The Intercity Express Programme has form. I think only one of Monday’s Swansea GWR services was longer than 5 carriages.
317 forever
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I'm hoping that the Mon-Fri 08.33 from London King's Cross to Leeds is still 91 hauled. This is going to be a useful train for me next month!
DanNCL
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Still booked to be a 91
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