Which is why i suggest the resources being redistributed and the network being revised. But the 22 returning to operating it's full route seems pointless since for the most part it'll just be duplicating the tram and the network can be revised to create new links/avoid duplicating links.
I'd 100% agree with that. Lothian and the trams are both under the TfE umbrella and they need to start acting more like it. I suspect the restructure hinted in recent documentation will be to try and address exactly that.
Maybe not a fair comparison but in London there are some bus routes that closely follow underground lines. In that case you'd find the underground stops are very much further apart than bus stops and of course subway trains aren't DDA or buggy-friendly. Maybe you could say in Edinburgh the tram won't suit everyone either so perhaps a few passengers might prefer the 22 over the tram.
Well, the tram does use Lothian DayTickets, so I wouldn't see this happening.
I think they will probably do something similar to what they done with the Service 12, I'm not sure which service, there's only a couple of viable options really.
I didn't realise 20008 was in an accident. She will probably end up being repainted just like 1004 was when she was getting repaired. Does anyone have a photo of her accident as I've not seen it, thanks in advance!
The section between Saughton and Balgreen tram stops doesn’t really get well served by the tram easily and that part is where a lot of people would experience a much longer route to the city centre if they had to rely on the 1 or 2. The 22 serves people who use these stops better than the tram as they would have a long walk.
The 22 would be best being kept and extended to somewhere else. It’s still far too busy to take out completely, and as others have said the tram or other services aren’t viable options for some of the areas it serves, particularly in Stenhouse and South Gyle.
Apart from a significant reduction in service 22 frequency, I'd say there were very few bus cuts. It's difficult to say because bus routes are adjusted for all sorts of reasons, including Covid of course.
Just to add to recent "accidents" - the 10.30 ish X5 to Edinburgh last friday (10th) drove into the bus shelter at St Germains Level Crossing and took out his wing mirror. Passengers none too happy, as they had to wait for the next 124 and were quite late getting into town. Driver almost got taken out when going to inspect the damage - he couldn't access the nearside from the cab, so had to walk round the bus to collect the mirror. Almost got taken out by an Audi and a Range Rover doing their utmost to beat the land speed record....
Which I guess is fair as it's:
I'd personally have the 22 go up Easter Road and then take over the route of the 49 to Fort Kinnaird. The 49's route is counterintuitive as it loops back on itself - someone coming from Rosewell or Dalkeith who doesn't know the route may think the 49 doesn't continue to the city like the 48, as the logical route from Dalkeith to the Fort avoids the centre. It would help even out route lengths as well, as the 22 is currently only 35 minutes in length while the 49 is 2 hours. Cutting the 49 back to the city centre and extending the 22 to Fort Kinnaird would give both routes an ~80min journey time from end to end.
The only issue, although not too big, is the loss of the Leith Street & Leith Walk section of the 49 route. People using it will lose links to Midlothian and also Fort Kinnaird but they can walk if able as it's only 10 mins to Easter Road.
A simple swap of old then. Run the 49 from Rosewell to Ocean Terminal via Leith Walk and Great Junction Street and run the 22 from Gyle to Fort Kinnaird via Easter Road and Portobello
That sounds like a good idea to me.
Do we really need yet another service from the Eastern Edinburgh area to the Gyle Centre though? It’s starting to get complicated enough already with the 2, 12, 21 and 400 all going different directions.
They've been back in service since the Volvo B5LHs 579-590 moved to Lothiancountry - 1141-1142/4/5 re-entering service at Marine allowing for 1000/1/2/5 to move to Longstone. 1146-1153 also moved to Longstone, but the recent 31 changes lead to 1152/3 moving back into reserve. 1143 didn't leave service at all. 1152 is at Longstone now though for an MOT.
I agree. They are also retro looking inside with the dual doors. I wish they would bring them back for all new buses.
Full route on the 15, 67 and X44 West (although I think that briefly came back between the lockdowns?).
That would certainly make more sense, but I thought the intention behind cutting the 22 back to Waterloo Place was to reduce the number of buses going up Leith Walk now that the tram will be providing a high frequency service along that corridor? Hence why I suggested running an extended 22 via Easter Road.
Not particularly, but the Gyle is a logical terminus as it's a popular destination close to the edge of the Edinburgh conurbation.
EX1, EX2 and X38. X5 took it's time but it's back now.
The X15 you can say, the X44 to Balerno, services 61 & 67, the N49 (somewhat? I don't think it ever started..). Lothiancountry X17, it became the 276 and no longer operated to Edinburgh after covid though.
Oh no, not that taboo subject again...!
178 is due an MOT. 1004 is more likely to end up at Longstone in my view. I’d therefore find it likely both will move again.
Thanks for the info, I'll edit the message above.
