The following concept was posted by myself in the main Lothian thread, & was in response to local users on the 100. For the full content, see
post #12,469 on that thread. I was wondering what you lot’s thoughts on it would be, so do tell.
If the people who do use the 100 to commute to/from the west of the city into town still want that link, then how about this:
Service X12 • Waterloo Place or Bristo Square to Gyle Centre
Calling at: All 12 or 26 stops to Haymarket, then only stopping at Roseburn Gardens, Western Corner, Edinburgh Zoo, then all 31 stops to Maybury, then via 68/902 route into the Gyle Centre.
2 am journeys to Waterloo Place (0645-0722, 0730-0807)
2 am journeys to Bristo Square (0705-0743, 0750-0827*)
4 pm journeys to Gyle Centre (1630-1710 & 1745-1825 from WP, 1600-1639 & 1709-1748* from BS)
*These journeys either continue as service 47B to Ladywood (0947 arrival) or start as service 47B at Easter Bush at 1615.
In other words, I have came up with a 38 extension to Newton Village. It could run via Old Dalkeith Road and Newton Church Road, before looping via Millerhill Road and Newton Village. This could finally bring a route to Newton Village which would be well used rather than walking down to Shawfair/Danderhall for a 33, 46 or 48. Map linked below.
I do actually really like this proposal! My only issue with it is that I think that if Lothian were to do this, they would have to shorten it from Granton, likely to the Western General.
The 111/111A already serves Newton Village through the Newton Church Road stop. I think the loop is too narrow for a Lothian bus.
I don’t know, it looks wide enough to me.
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So a couple of days ago, I was looking at the old ideas & speculation thread which closed around a year ago at all the old change proposals, so I thought I’d come up with my own changes for the Lothian family, as it has been a good few months since I’ve had a crack at this:
Key:
S = Saturday
Ś = Sunday
M-F = Monday to Friday
M-S = Monday to Saturday
D = Daily
VR = Vehicle Requirement
Lothian:
Unchanged routes: 3, 4, 5, 10, 16, 19, 20, 21, 26, 29, 32, 34, 35, 44, 45, 47, 48, 20.
1 - Frequency decreased from every 12-15min on weekdays & Every 15min on Saturdays to a set 20min frequency, & from every 20min on Sundays to every 30min. VR to 8 M-S & 5 Š.
2 - Service extended from The Jewel to QMU via Newcraighall Village. Sunday frequency increased to every 20min on Sundays. VR to 9 D.
7 - Service withdrawn & replaced by services 11 & 400.
8 - Evening frequency increased to every 30min.
9 - Mon-Sat frequency reduced to every 30min, & every 60min on Sundays. Peak timw frequency increased to every 15min. Service rerouted from Goldenacre via Ferry Road & Clark Road to Trinity. VR to 4 M-S & 2 Š.
11 - Service extended to ERI via Ferniehill. VR to 13(?) M-S & 11 Š.
12 - VR to 7 M-S to improve reliability.
14 - Frequency increased to every 15min Mon-Sat. VR to 10 M-S.
15 - Service extended to Deanburn via Auchendinny, Ladywood, Eastfield, & Penicuik Town Centre. New Sunday service between Auchendinny & Waterloo Place on Sundays running Hourly • From Gowkley Moss, buses will run a clockwise loop via The Brae, Grahams Road, & Edinburgh Road, with buses terminating at the Foot of The Brae bus stop. VR to 3 M-S & 2 Š.
22 - Service rerouted from Lothian Road via Princes Street to Leith Street, then via current 49 route to Fort Kinnaird. VR to 9 M-S & 6 Š.
23 - Service withdrawn & replaced by altered services 9 & 36.
24 - Frequency increased to every 15min Mon-Sat & every 20min Sundays, with buses now using single deckers. VR to 10 M-S & 8 Š.
25 - Frequency increased to every 10min Mon-Sat between Heriot-Watt & Elm Row, & every 15min on Sundays, with buses extending every 20min Mon-Sat & every 30min on Sundays to Restalrig. VR to 14 M-S & 10 Š.
27 - Frequency increased to every 15min Saturdays & every 20min Sundays. VR to 10 S & 8 Š.
30 - Service curtailed to Fort Kinnaird. Passengers can connect onto services 2/46/48 at Niddrie or 46/48/106 at Fort Kinnaird for links to Newcraighall Village, or Service 4 on Princes Street or 46/48 at Fort Kinnaird for links to QMU. Frequency decreased to every 15min Mon-Sat & every 20min on Sundays. VR to 13 M-S & 10 Š.
31 - Frequency increased to every 12min Mon-Sat & every 15min Sundays. VR to 16 M-S & 13 Š.
33 - VR to 10 M-S & 7 Š to improve reliability.
36 - Frequency increased to every 20min Mon-Sat, with two journeys per hour being rerouted from Greenbank Junction via Greenbank Drive to Greenbank. On Sundays, one journe per hour will run to Greenbank, & the other will run to Gyle. Buses will continue to serve Craiglockhart, Longstone, & The Gyle every hour daily.
If it’d work better, one journey per hour could be rerouted to Greenbank, with the other twi still serving the Gyle corridor. VR to 9 M-S & 6 Š.
37 - Frequency increased to every 15min on Saturdays. All journeys will now run to Deanburn, with Easter Bush continuing to be served at peak times by improved service 47B. Service rerouted via Mayfield Road, Causewayside, Buccleuch Street, Bristo Square, George IV Bridge, The Mound, Hanover Street, & George Street. The Surgeons Hall to Queensferry Street link will continue to be served by service 47. VR to 16 M-S.
46 - All Sunday journeys extended from ERI to Musselburgh, with the ERI - Musselburgh corridor of the route running every 30min. VR to 5 Š.
47 - Service rerouted via South Bridge & Princes Street to Queensferry Street. Tollcross will continue to be served by service 49. VR to 13 M-S.
49 - Service rerouted from Surgeons Hall via Bristo Square, Lauriston Place, & Lothian Road, then via 22 route to Granton Harbour. VR to 7 M-S & 5 Š.
100 - Frequency decreased to every 10min Mon-Fri. Buses will now only drop passengers off at stops between the Airport Hotels & Waverley Bridge. VR to 8 M-F.
400 - Frequency increased to every 20min Mon-Fri & every 30min Sundays. VR to 10 M-F & 7 Š.
These changes would would mean that the Weekday off-peak VR across all the above services would go from 208 to 206, with all links being maintained by other services, along with providing new links for other services. I originally only intended to Lothian City operations, but I decided to cram in changes to the other operators just out of formality:
Lothian Country:
Unchanged Routes: 43, X18, 74
X27 - Frequency increased to every 30min daily. Service rerouted from Livingston Bus Station direct via Almondvale Road to St. Johns Hospital, then via Eliburn, Seafield, Blackburn, & Wester Inch to Bathgate Morrisons.
X28 - Frequency increased to every 30min daily. Service rerouted from Mid Calder direct via Almond Bank Road to Livingston Town Centre.
X40 - Frequency increased to every 60min daily.
X43 - New express route between Waterloo Place & Scotstoun via 43 route to Burnshot, then direct down A90 to A90J3 Slip Road to B800, then via the 71 route to Scotstoun. Buses will serve all 43 stops to Learmonth Terrace, then only at Craigleith Road, Telford Road, & Hillpark Steps, then all stops to Scotstoun. Queensferry map linked below.
70 - Minor timetable changes.
71 - Buses retimed to provide connections in Kirkliston with service 72.
72 - Buses retimes to provide connections in Kirkliston with service 71. Service rerouted via Livingston Village instead of Eliburn, which will instead be served by service X27.
73 - Service rerouted from Bathgate Council Offices via Bathville & Armadale to Blackridge. Wester Inch & Blackburn will continue to be served by service X27.
Eves of Dunbar:
All routes moved to ECB. See below paragraph. Coach hire operations moved to LMC. Dunbar depot to become a joint ECB/LMC hub.
EastCoastBuses:
Unchanged Routes: 113, 123, 139
X5 - Frequency increased to every 30min Mon-Sat, with a new hourly Sunday service introduced to combine with services X6 & X7 provide a bus between Edinburgh City Centre & The Jewel every 10min Mon-Sat & every 15min on Sundays.
X6 - Buses retimed to combine with services X5 & X7 provide a bus between Edinburgh City Centre & The Jewel every 10min Mon-Sat & every 15min on Sundays. Mon-Fri peak increased to every 20min.
X7 - Buses retimed to combine with services X5 & X6 provide a bus between Edinburgh City Centre & The Jewel every 10min Mon-Sat & every 15min on Sundays.
106 - Buses will now operate directly down Newcraighall Road & will no longer serve QMU. Passengers can exhange either in Musselburgh or between Fort Kinnaird & Newcraighall Village onto services 46 & 48 for links to QMU.
120 - Buses will now run at a set 2 hour frequency.
121 - Buses will now run at a set 2 hour frequency.
124 - Frequency decreased to every hour on Sundays.
125 - Renumbered to SC1.
126 - Renumbered to SC2.
127 - Renumbered to SC3.
128 - Renumbered to SC4.
130 - All buses will follow the following route: Spott - A1 - Broxburn - Newhouse Place - Lochend Road - Middlemas Road - Alexander Garden - ASDA - Station - Bayswell Park - Belhaven - Stenton. Return via route above reversed.
140 - Frequency increased to every 30min Mon-Sat. Some journeys will run via the 141 route as service 140B.
141 - Service withdraw & replaced by 140 & 140B.
Peak Time routes:
Unchanged routes: X26, X29, X31, X37,
X33 - An extra journey at 1600 to Gorebridge introduced to ease capacity on services 29 & 48 in Gorebridge.
X44 - Withdrawn & replaced by extra journeys on ECB Service X6.
X47 - Withdrawn & replaced by new LCB Service X43.
47B - Frequency increased to every 12-15min.
