May 17 timetable changes

[rg177]

Not much change from Darlington a handful of services timed to arrive a bit later

Main changes are

Transpennine - Sunday services terminate at Manchester Victoria instead of Liverpool

Crosscountry - Saturday 07:15 to Plymouth will no longer run between Newcastle and York it will now form 1V48 07:45 York to Penzance arriving 15:38

Just the usual summer change for the Newcastle to Plymouth. It is however rather annoying as it means no direct Newcastle to the West Country service until the 07:41.

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[brompton rail]

Just the usual summer change for the Newcastle to Plymouth. It is however rather annoying as it means no direct Newcastle to the West Country service until the 07:41.

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Isn't this because the 07.45 from York is an HST and runs as empty coaching stock from Neville Hill via Leeds to York? It'll be interesting next year to see the Summer Saturday service pattern, as a number of the weekday Newcastle turns are to be HSTs, possibly running light from Craigentiny.

 

[rg177]

Isn't this because the 07.45 from York is an HST and runs as empty coaching stock from Neville Hill via Leeds to York? It'll be interesting next year to see the Summer Saturday service pattern, as a number of the weekday Newcastle turns are to be HSTs, possibly running light from Craigentiny.

Indeed I believe it's an HST.

 

[PHILIPE]

Isn't this because the 07.45 from York is an HST and runs as empty coaching stock from Neville Hill via Leeds to York? It'll be interesting next year to see the Summer Saturday service pattern, as a number of the weekday Newcastle turns are to be HSTs, possibly running light from Craigentiny.

Aren't the HSTs going to be maintained at Heaton next year rather than Craigentinny

 

[berneyarms]

I still believe it's a very poor show to terminate the connection from Fishguard off the evening sailing from Rosslare at Carmarthen.

At the very least it should be going to Swansea, and ideally Cardiff.

Just noticed that there appears to have been a late change of heart by ATW and some common sense prevailing.

The connection off the evening sailing at Fishguard has now been extended to Swansea Monday-Sunday, rather than terminate at Carmarthen.

Monday to Saturday the immediately preceding 21:09 service from Pembroke Dock has been curtailed at Carmarthen and passengers transfer to the Fishguard service.

At present this is an STP working for the next two weeks, hopefully it will become a permanent timetable change going forward, as terminating at Carmarthen was useless for foot passengers.

 

[Greenback]

That's a very sensible move by ATW. It's a change that leapt out at me when I first saw the new timetable.

 

[PHILIPE]

Just noticed that there appears to have been a late change of heart by ATW and some common sense prevailing.

The connection off the evening sailing at Fishguard has now been extended to Swansea Monday-Sunday, rather than terminate at Carmarthen.

Monday to Saturday the immediately preceding 21:09 service from Pembroke Dock has been curtailed at Carmarthen and passengers transfer to the Fishguard service.

At present this is an STP working for the next two weeks, hopefully it will become a permanent timetable change going forward, as terminating at Carmarthen was useless for foot passengers.

Results in 2345 Swansea to Carmarthen retimed to start at 0015 due to the retiming of the train from Fishguard, it's back working

 

[berneyarms]

Glad to see that idea of mine taking effect!!

 

[PHILIPE]

Glad to see that idea of mine taking effect!!

Congrats

 

[Greenback]

Results in 2345 Swansea to Carmarthen retimed to start at 0015 due to the retiming of the train from Fishguard, it's back working

I would have liked that back in the days when I used to regularly go for a drink in Swansea and catch the the 2345 back to Llanelli

 

[berneyarms]

The extension of the late evening service from Fishguard to serve Swansea has been rolled forward by another week.

Surely given that this is facilitating international travellers the service should be updated in the system for at least the next 12 weeks? It is very misleading right now to say the least.

 

[Wilts Wanderer]

Planning processes do not generally cope very well with U-turns and last minute changes. It's a bit like turning an ocean liner, once the momentum builds its difficult to reverse it and go the opposite way.

 

[PHILIPE]

The extension of the late evening service from Fishguard to serve Swansea has been rolled forward by another week.

Surely given that this is facilitating international travellers the service should be updated in the system for at least the next 12 weeks? It is very misleading right now to say the least.

I don't know what the arrangement is now but permanent diagram alterations could only be made every 12 weeks to coincide with drivers rostering hours cycles and had to arranged under STP arrangements in the meantime so could be connected to something like this. I might be hopelessly wrong, though, so don't take it as gospel.

 

[berneyarms]

I don't know what the arrangement is now but permanent diagram alterations could only be made every 12 weeks to coincide with drivers rostering hours cycles and had to arranged under STP arrangements in the meantime so could be connected to something like this. I might be hopelessly wrong, though, so don't take it as gospel.

The whole situation with regard to rail connections at Fishguard has been pretty shambolic to be frank - it is rather hard to understand how this could happen. Surely Stena and ATW should have planned this much better?

 

[Wilts Wanderer]

The whole situation with regard to rail connections at Fishguard has been pretty shambolic to be frank - it is rather hard to understand how this could happen. Surely Stena and ATW should have planned this much better?

My understanding was that the Stena announcement came pretty much out of the blue at very short notice (by railway planning timescales.) I guess that shows the importance of maintaining good communication with your stakeholders.

 

[berneyarms]

My understanding was that the Stena announcement came pretty much out of the blue at very short notice (by railway planning timescales.) I guess that shows the importance of maintaining good communication with your stakeholders.

Absolutely. I know foot passenger traffic has dropped significantly but they really have made a pigs ear of this.

It's kind of basic to communicate with one another.

 

[mikestone1952]

Stena were still showing the old boat times on their website long after the revised train service started to appear.

 

[infobleep]

I've just noticed that the 18.17 Waterloo to Haslemere, Monday to Friday, now stops at Clapham Junction, leaving their at 18.24. That change passed me by. Pun not intended.

How have they been able to introduce it? I thought no more trains could stop at Clapham Junction during the evening peak due to the number of trains passing through? What has changed to enable this to stop? I know the 18.20 service to Exeter rarely leaves Clapham Junction at 18.27 but that's nothing new.

I'm not complaining that it's been introduced mind you. It's certainly welcome news for passengers. The next fast service to Guildford and stations south of Guildford isn't until 19.22 and previous is the 16.52

 

[embers25]

I've just noticed that the 18.17 Waterloo to Haslemere, Monday to Friday, now stops at Clapham Junction, leaving their at 18.24. That change passed me by. Pun not intended.

Introduced to relieve pressure on the 1820 and about time.

 

[infobleep]

Introduced to relieve pressure on the 1820 and about time.

I agree but how come they couldn't do it before now. The 18.20 hasn't exactly become busy suddenly. It's been like it for years. I've said before it would be great if more trains could stop at Clapham Junction but I've always been told it's not possible and now they do this.

I know it's only one train but it could have been only one train for some years before this.

 

[berneyarms]

Merseyrail timetables for the Wirral lines from June 19 are now online on the Merseytravel website.

 

[mikestone1952]

16.43 Euston-Edinburgh was ten cars throughout yesterday and not mentioned on journey check as an alteration - I wonder if it has been changed to allow the Saturday morning ECS from Central Rivers to attach to the 08.00 from Glasgow at Wolverhampton?
(it may of course just be to balance todays driver shortage).
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I am guessing that there may well be a shortage of drivers who sign Central Rivers as 5R03 to work the 05.45 Birmingham-Eustonn has been running from Crewe instead most mornings, balanced by keeping the Blackpool ECS at Crewe and diverting an evening one from New St.
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I see that for some reason the ECS from Polmadie for the 06.50 Edinburgh-Euston is only timed via Carstairs South TWTh, with the set presumably booked to run in reverse on Mondays and Fridays as the last leg of the (assumed) diagram, 5G73 Manchester-Oxley, goes via Soho Road MFO. In practice the ECS from Polmadie always seems to turn - there seems nothing in the engineering access statement to prevent it turning SX.