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May 2025 Timetable Change - Confirmed Changes Only

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The otherwise hourly xx00 Euston-Chester service is still interrupted with the 1600 going to Liverpool instead.
This train does not even call at Crewe, though there is a 1543 to Liverpool which does.
Either way it is a curious peak-time gap in the Chester service.
That gap disappears from 15/09 according to RTT with a Chester inserted and 16:00 going at 16:07
 
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A further 4 XX:07 Liverpools also appear from that week.
Including a new novelty: a direct Liverpool via Birmingham Pendolino in the mornings. I’d consider that an enormous upgrade from the current slow 350s for Birmingham Liverpool customers. Non stop from Birmingham New Street to Crewe, doesn’t even call at Wolverhampton!

 

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Including a new novelty: a direct Liverpool via Birmingham Pendolino in the mornings. I’d consider that an enormous upgrade from the current slow 350s for Birmingham Liverpool customers. Non stop from Birmingham New Street to Crewe, doesn’t even call at Wolverhampton!

That is a nice train, I notice it also stops at Crewe "for staffing reasons" - but only for 2 minutes. I wonder whether this is code for "to change over to Diesel," i.e. to remind the signallers in time of disruption that it needs to be platformed?
 

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That is a nice train, I notice it also stops at Crewe "for staffing reasons" - but only for 2 minutes. I wonder whether this is code for "to change over to Diesel," i.e. to remind the signallers in time of disruption that it needs to be platformed?
It needs to be platformed as its a passenger stop
 

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That is a nice train, I notice it also stops at Crewe "for staffing reasons" - but only for 2 minutes. I wonder whether this is code for "to change over to Diesel," i.e. to remind the signallers in time of disruption that it needs to be platformed?
The route is entirely electric (it's also timed for a Pendolino, which can't switch to diesel), the stop at Crewe is a passenger stop, it has times in the GBTT column which are the advertised stops.
Maybe a staff change or something happens there that they put into the data.
 

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The early 0445 Holyhead-Euston is back, leaving Chester as before at 0624 (1R14).
It joins the 0535 Blackpool-Euston at Crewe, as pre-Covid, and reaches Euston at 0835.

The otherwise hourly xx00 Euston-Chester service is still interrupted with the 1600 going to Liverpool instead.
This train does not even call at Crewe, though there is a 1543 to Liverpool which does.
Either way it is a curious peak-time gap in the Chester service.
This service used to stop at Kirkham and wesham and poulton it’s a shame they didn’t reintroduce the stops as it’s only a 5 car now from Blackpool
 

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Just a gentle reminder that this thread as per the thread title is for the discussion of May 2025 Timetable Change - Confirmed Changes Only

I've split a few speculative posts off into this thread:

 

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Hi all, new poster here. :smile: I've noticed since the initial XC related discussion within this topic from January, when the new timetables were uploaded, that XC have (according to what's on RTT) made further tweaks to the changes they're planning to make. I thought some people may find it useful if all XC changes were detailed here, so I've made this summary based off of what's changing to services through Chesterfield, regardless of whether the service is booked to call or pass non-stop.

The Mon-Fri changes I've noticed are as follows in chronological order and I've also included details about what the change to the service is. I hope it's of interest. 8-)

HEADCODE - SERVICE FROM MAY 2025 - CHESTERFIELD STATUS FROM MAY 2025 - DETAIL OF CHANGE
1V82 06:24 York - Reading calling at Chesterfield at 07:31 - NEW
1E38 07:17 Derby - Newcastle calling at Chesterfield at 07:35 - CHANGED FROM NON STOP TO CALLING
1M83 06:24 Newcastle - Birmingham NS passing Chesterfield at 08:33 - SEE NOTE 1 BELOW
1S37 05:25 Plymouth - Edinburgh calling at Chesterfield at 10:05 - CHANGED FROM NON STOP TO CALLING
1V50 06:06 Edinburgh - Plymouth calling at Chesterfield at 10:08 - CHANGED FROM NON STOP TO CALLING
1V52 07:04 Edinburgh - Penzance calling at Chesterfield at 11:08 - TERMINATES AT PENZANCE VICE PLYMOUTH
1E85 10:27 Birmingham NS - Newcastle passing Chesterfield at 11:15 - NEW + SEE NOTE 1 BELOW
1S41 07:27 Plymouth - Edinburgh calling at Chesterfield at 12:04 - CHANGED FROM NON STOP TO CALLING
1V54 06:48 Glasgow Central - Plymouth calling at Chesterfield at 12:08 - STARTS FROM GLASGOW CENTRAL VICE EDINBURGH + CHANGED FROM NON STOP TO CALLING
1S43 08:27 Plymouth - Edinburgh calling at Chesterfield at 13:05 - STARTS FROM PLYMOUTH VICE PENZANCE
1E36 10:46 Reading - Newcastle passing Chesterfield at 13:15 - NEW
1S45 09:27 Plymouth - Dundee calling at Chesterfield at 14:03 - CHANGED FROM NON STOP TO CALLING + SEE NOTE 2 BELOW
1V58 10:07 Edinburgh - Plymouth calling at Chesterfield at 14:08 - CHANGED FROM NON STOP TO CALLING + TERMINATES AT PLYMOUTH VICE PENZANCE
1S47 10:27 Plymouth - Edinburgh calling at Chesterfield at 15:05 - STARTS FROM PLYMOUTH VICE PENZANCE
1V60 08:20 Aberdeen - Plymouth calling at Chesterfield at 15:08 - CHANGED FROM NON STOP TO CALLING + TERMINATES AT PLYMOUTH VICE PENZANCE
1S49 11:27 Plymouth - Glasgow Central calling at Chesterfield at 16:05 - TERMINATES AT GLASGOW CENTRAL VICE EDINBURGH
1V91 14:35 Newcastle - Reading passing Chesterfield at 16:34 - NEW
1S53 11:15 Penzance - Edinburgh calling at Chesterfield at 18:04 - STARTS FROM PENZANCE VICE PLYMOUTH
1M91 16:33 Newcastle - Birmingham NS passing Chesterfield at 18:34 - NEW
1S55 14:27 Plymouth - Edinburgh calling at Chesterfield at 19:05 - CHANGED FROM NON STOP TO CALLING
1V68 15:07 Edinburgh - Plymouth calling at Chesterfield at 19:08 - CHANGED FROM NON STOP TO CALLING
1E63 15:27 Plymouth - Newcastle calling at Chesterfield at 20:05 - CHANGED FROM NON STOP TO CALLING + TERMINATES AT NEWCASTLE VICE LEEDS
1E64 17:45 Reading - York passing Chesterfield at 20:15 - TERMINATES AT YORK VICE NEWCASTLE
1V71 17:07 Edinburgh - Bristol TM calling at Chesterfield at 21:07 - CHANGED FROM NON STOP TO CALLING
1E73 17:27 Plymouth - Leeds calling at Chesterfield at 22:12 - CHANGED FROM NON STOP TO CALLING

Notes:
1. Currently, 1M83 runs as 1V83 to Reading and then works 1E40 to York and 1M10 to Birmingham NS. From May 2025 1V83 becomes 1M83 which then forms a new 1E85 to Newcastle, a new 1V91 to Reading and finally a new 1M88 (20:42 ex Reading) to Man Picc. This means that 1E40 (11:45 ex Reading) + 1M10 (16:37 ex York) are withdrawn entirely.
2. 1S45 is extended from Dundee to Aberdeen on Friday's only, but this is not a new change.
3. The number of non-stopping/passing services through Chesterfield Mon-Fri will decrease from the current 23 per day to 12 per day.

Over on EMR, the only Mon-Fri change I can see is that the 21:41 Man Picc - Nottingham service (not via Stockport) gets recoded from 1L20 to 1L82. There are no changes to Northern and than a small handful of timing tweaks.

And finally, if you've read note 1 above, you now know that from May 2025 there's a new 1M88 20:42 Reading - Man Picc; the unit from this then goes ecs to Longsight as 5M88 at 00:30. However, the number of XC ecs workings onto Longsight remains at 4 both pre and post the timetable change. This is because 5M88 essentially replaces 5M54 which, instead of departing to Longsight at 19:12 as it currently does, will instead form a new 1G71 19:03 Man Picc - Birmingham NS.
 

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cannot find any of the Saturday extra 'Jolly Fisherman' trains on the Skegness/ Nottingham route this summer, have they been withdrawn, or just not added yet..
 

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cannot find any of the Saturday extra 'Jolly Fisherman' trains on the Skegness/ Nottingham route this summer, have they been withdrawn, or just not added yet..
Suggestion is withdrawn due to "loadings and fleet issues".
 

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I wonder what exactly has changed since last year? It's not as if EMR have lost any units since then. Is it a damaged or failed unit repair backlog, a routine exam backlog or something else?
 

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cannot find any of the Saturday extra 'Jolly Fisherman' trains on the Skegness/ Nottingham route this summer, have they been withdrawn, or just not added yet..
I’m expecting the message to go out soon about booking onto a particular service and passengers being pushed towards the supplementary Buses from Grantham. This may also put many off so as to suppress demand.

Don't forget too that EMR now have no rest day working agreement with ASLEF so driver shortages will persist particularly during the summer months unless this is resolved.
 

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I wonder what exactly has changed since last year? It's not as if EMR have lost any units since then. Is it a damaged or failed unit repair backlog, a routine exam backlog or something else?
Units now on refurbishment, struggling to get parts (particularly 158 wheelsets), reliability still trending downwards rather than up particularly for 170s and also 222s.
 
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I wonder what exactly has changed since last year? It's not as if EMR have lost any units since then. Is it a damaged or failed unit repair backlog, a routine exam backlog or something else?
I don't think 158856 has been in service since it derailed near Thetford last February
 

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Apparently from may 2025 the manchester to blackpool line operated by Northern will be operated by class 323s instead of class 331s.
 

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The Blackpool North to Manchester Airport line won't be fully 323 operated. Of the 8 double sets required to operate the service Monday to Saturday, 5 will now be double 323s and the remaining 3 will be double 331s. So an increase in use of 323s, from the current 2 double sets being used on the line.
Interestingly there will be 2 sets of double 331s now on the Liverpool Lime Street to Manchester Airport service, with the remaining 2 diagrams covered by 4-car 331s - so an important increase in capacity on such a busy line, which is currently all 4-car 331 operated (except for some early/late services).

4-car 331s will have some redeployment onto Manchester Piccadilly to Alderley Edge and some Crewe services too, so some capacity increase from the current 3-car operations.

Full unit diagrams can be found on this link:
 

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4-car 331s will have some redeployment onto Manchester Piccadilly to Alderley Edge and some Crewe services too, so some capacity increase from the current 3-car operations.

Full unit diagrams can be found on this link:
Thank you for posting that link, good news to my ears.
 

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It appears from September the Leeds - Huddersfield stopper is diverted from Mirfield to Bradford instead, with there being no direct Huddersfield - Bradford service. Is this to do with TRU works?
 

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It appears from September the Leeds - Huddersfield stopper is diverted from Mirfield to Bradford instead, with there being no direct Huddersfield - Bradford service. Is this to do with TRU works?
I would say so as it starts from Platform 3 which currently doesn't exist and is shown only to exist from 1 September. There is one train a day that runs to Bradford Interchange from Huddersfield from this date and appears to use the current through Platform numbered 4. Current Platforms 5, 6 and 8 (no Platform numbered 7 as far as I can tell) at Huddersfield seem to be taken out of service from Monday 1 September until December Timetable change.
 

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It appears from September the Leeds - Huddersfield stopper is diverted from Mirfield to Bradford instead, with there being no direct Huddersfield - Bradford service. Is this to do with TRU works?
Yes. Northern currently operate a similar service on weekends when TPE services are diverted via Brighouse

A bus replacement is in operation connecting this service to Huddersfield from Brighouse which stops at Deighton (which will be closed temporarily)

The service will also be fully returning to Northern after August 29th and the Mirfield to Huddersfield connection will continue to be maintained by the TPE Manchester - York service
 

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I would say so as it starts from Platform 3 which currently doesn't exist and is shown only to exist from 1 September. There is one train a day that runs to Bradford Interchange from Huddersfield from this date and appears to use the current through Platform numbered 4. Current Platforms 5, 6 and 8 (no Platform numbered 7 as far as I can tell) at Huddersfield seem to be taken out of service from Monday 1 September until December Timetable change.

Judging by RTT it looks like
Platform 1 is the current platform 2
Platform 2 is the current platform 1
Platform 3 is the current platform 4a/4b

With 5,6 and 8 closed for converting into new through roads and construction of the new bay platforms where the current carriage sidings are located
 

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Apparently from may 2025 the manchester to blackpool line operated by Northern will be operated by class 323s instead of class 331s.
Such a downgrade for passenger comfort, especially going into summer when the lack of AC on the 3+2 seated 323s won't be comfortable.
 

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