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Merseyrail Class 777 introduction updates
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Based on observation today, I think this is the diagram. If anyone is more "in the know" than me (not difficult!), please provide corrections.
First workings are:
0558 Kirkdale depot-Kirkby (Empty Stock)
0613 Kirkby-Liverpool Central
0635 Liverpool Central-Kirkby
0713 Kirkby-Liverpool Central
0735 Liverpool Central-Kirkby
Thereafter it is a 45-minute pattern, so subsequent departures from LVC to KIR are at 0820, 0905, 0950, 1035, 1120, 1205, 1250, 1335, 1420, 1505, 1550, 1635, 1720, 1805, 1850 and 1935.
Departures from KIR to LVC at 0758, 0843, 0928, 1013, 1058, 1143, 1228, 1313, 1358, 1443, 1528, 1613, 1658, 1743, 1828, 1913.
Then 1958 Kirkby-Kirkdale depot, empty stock.
First workings are:
0558 Kirkdale depot-Kirkby (Empty Stock)
0613 Kirkby-Liverpool Central
0635 Liverpool Central-Kirkby
0713 Kirkby-Liverpool Central
0735 Liverpool Central-Kirkby
Thereafter it is a 45-minute pattern, so subsequent departures from LVC to KIR are at 0820, 0905, 0950, 1035, 1120, 1205, 1250, 1335, 1420, 1505, 1550, 1635, 1720, 1805, 1850 and 1935.
Departures from KIR to LVC at 0758, 0843, 0928, 1013, 1058, 1143, 1228, 1313, 1358, 1443, 1528, 1613, 1658, 1743, 1828, 1913.
Then 1958 Kirkby-Kirkdale depot, empty stock.
william.martin
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Only found out they were running today after a pointer on a different thread, are they only on the LVC to Kirkby diagrams today?
Liverpool 507
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777049 is doing the honours of Kirkby services today.
markymark2000
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Ahh, brilliant. Thank you.
Lloyds siding
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There's one been out on the Southport line, reversing at Hillside, I assume that these are accumulating mileage for test purposes
Vespa
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What times are they likely to be coming out play on Wednesday as I hope to grab a ride after work.
Thanks
Thanks
Liverpool 507
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777009
PlatformEdgeVT
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I'm guessing these observations were recorded on a weekday, but do the sets run on weekends?
PlatformEdgeVT
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Thank you very much. That might help with planning a visit.
Just beware that as it's still only 1 unit running pending more drivers/guards completing training it's possible it will be cancelled at short notice and replaced with a 507/508. Any faults, not matter how minor, will likely mean it goes back to Kirkdale for someone to poke it with a laptop.
pokemonsuper9
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Wasn't there a fault last week that had it back out in 2 hours?
william.martin
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I am not an expert on the region or train however they would brand it as fault if let's say; a bulb has gone in the toilet or maybe a door is jammed shut.
They would also brand a fault as; the cab has fell off( that one may be branded as a major fault
) or the electrics won't work.If it was out again in 2 hours it must of been something very simple.
If it was a 47 in the 80's they would of just hit it a few times with a hammer, now they plug there laptop in and it's like magic
Surely they'd just turn it off and back on again?If it was a 47 in the 80's they would of just hit it a few times with a hammer, now they plug there laptop in and it's like magic
Bertie the bus
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How do you get to that figure? If a unit develops a real fault or software faults are identified, and I understand last week's wasn't a real fault, then any rectification will be applied to the entire fleet. They won't just sort out the offending unit and then the next will suffer with the same problem.
Yep, door fault.
It's early days. They've done thousands of miles of fault-free running now and probably found most of the issues, but as soon as you have passengers pushing buttons, activating sensors and generally being passengers on an in-service train you gain really invaluable data about what other things can go wrong. If you can capture that information and get it analysed asap, Stadler can respond to any underlying issues quickly and ensure the next trains that enter service won't suffer from the same issue when they encounter the public. Or at least start working on a longer term fix for it.
william.martin
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Fair point, if it can move they just do what you said, hit it with a hammer a few times then tell the driver to stop winging and crack on, happy days
I'm not sure if it's relevant but I'm just putting 2+2 together here..
I could well be wrong, but to continue with what @Skie has said above. Little things begin to show themselves in the real world once passengers get involved.
I noticed whilst the units have been out doing their fault free running and general testing from day 1 on the network, when the doors have been released at each station they have all been fully opened automatically rather than just unlocking them and requiring somebody to physically open each door with its own button.
I've seen them out and about a fair few times since the first one was delivered (I even nipped out at 2am to see the first Wirral line test runs back in 2020!) and every time all doors have opened. I've never seen one where they just unlock and require the open button to be pressed.
So whilst they've accumulated their fault free mileage and the doors will have been opened and closed 100s of times, they've not been used in the day to day style of passengers having to open the doors themselves (that I've seen anyway!)
I assume 777 doors have sensitive edges and possibly trap and drag detection fitted? Again niggly things which could throw up little faults in the real world which wouldn't necessarily have flagged up on an empty test train.
On a slightly o/t note, I have driven a couple of buses were the sensitive edge on the doors has developed a fault meaning I'm unable to close the doors as it thinks somebody is trapped.
I'm probably just chatting rubbish but the point is the real world is a bit different to a test environment and niggly faults are guaranteed on new units until they've settled in.
I could well be wrong, but to continue with what @Skie has said above. Little things begin to show themselves in the real world once passengers get involved.
I noticed whilst the units have been out doing their fault free running and general testing from day 1 on the network, when the doors have been released at each station they have all been fully opened automatically rather than just unlocking them and requiring somebody to physically open each door with its own button.
I've seen them out and about a fair few times since the first one was delivered (I even nipped out at 2am to see the first Wirral line test runs back in 2020!) and every time all doors have opened. I've never seen one where they just unlock and require the open button to be pressed.
So whilst they've accumulated their fault free mileage and the doors will have been opened and closed 100s of times, they've not been used in the day to day style of passengers having to open the doors themselves (that I've seen anyway!)
I assume 777 doors have sensitive edges and possibly trap and drag detection fitted? Again niggly things which could throw up little faults in the real world which wouldn't necessarily have flagged up on an empty test train.
On a slightly o/t note, I have driven a couple of buses were the sensitive edge on the doors has developed a fault meaning I'm unable to close the doors as it thinks somebody is trapped.
I'm probably just chatting rubbish but the point is the real world is a bit different to a test environment and niggly faults are guaranteed on new units until they've settled in.
modernrail
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Yes to binning the perches! It just confuses passengers who think it is a seat, because it looks awfully like one; and then get super grumpy if asked to move for a bike.
Grumpy Git
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Are there any notices in the bike area which inform anyone they are obliged to move if someone wishes to put a bike there? It would at least let people know the 'rules'.
Wezz
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Teething problems are to be expected, most of them seem to be door faults.
pokemonsuper9
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do we know what the fault was more than just "door"
Merseyrailfan
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507/508s doing Sandhills-Kirkby at short notice.
Bletchleyite
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From the Mersey Railways FB group:
"777049 has been temporarily taken off the Kirkby line due to a fault with the tripcock system. Stadler engineers are working on the unit to get it back into service as quick as possible. 507003 and 508115 are running on the Kirkby line only at the moment providing a 45 minute service into town and Kirkby"
Edit: Followed by:
Tripcock fixed, door fault now.
009 likely to be out after 1500 (but no guarantee).
"777049 has been temporarily taken off the Kirkby line due to a fault with the tripcock system. Stadler engineers are working on the unit to get it back into service as quick as possible. 507003 and 508115 are running on the Kirkby line only at the moment providing a 45 minute service into town and Kirkby"
Edit: Followed by:
Tripcock fixed, door fault now.
009 likely to be out after 1500 (but no guarantee).
Vespa
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The door faults will be down to real world psssengers randomly opening or closing individual doors, during FFM I would imagine all the doors were opened and closed as one, it works great without the Human element, once you add them in the mix you start getting this.
tetudo boy
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I was one of the very unlucky people who went on the train that failed, and it was my first time on the 777s! I saw the problem from a distance and thought there was an accident that had nothing to do with the actual train, however, it did. I actually heard a person who was trying to fix the door say "the wifi for the doors doesn't seem to be working". I'm not too familiar with the technology but I'm sure the wifi doesn't have anything to do with the train's systems unless the wifi sends signals to the main system to notify the personnel there is a problem, to which there was a problem with it itself. Anyways, a man, who was trying to help the staff figure out how to get the doors working again, happened to explain to someone that a person using a mobility scooter had happened to (as far as I believe) have had a reflective surface on the scooter, thus the train doors caught on the scooter and tripped the door circuit, causing the door to go into a malfunction. The doors had kept on flashing red on the sides while malfunctioning as if they were in the process of locking. The people apparently tried to move the train out of the platform since they couldn't do anything with the doors and the train went to an immediate emergency stop. This happened twice in the same minute. Soon after they fixed the doors by probably resetting the train's systems and the train pulled out of the station out of service. Later I got another service to Liverpool then that one was cancelled at Sandhills due to it being late because of what happened, and then eventually got back by another train.
Seeing this thread I'm surprised this has happened quite often since the launch as I thought that problem would be rare but it isn't. I hope this explains some more of why the train's doors keep on failing
Other than that, my first impressions of the train are positive. The acceleration/deceleration is noticeably faster and has a much more pleasant interior environment.
Seeing this thread I'm surprised this has happened quite often since the launch as I thought that problem would be rare but it isn't. I hope this explains some more of why the train's doors keep on failing
Other than that, my first impressions of the train are positive. The acceleration/deceleration is noticeably faster and has a much more pleasant interior environment.
Merseyrailfan
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Class 777s seem bouncier than the 507s/508s.
Did 009 came out?
Did 009 came out?
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