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Merseyrail Class 777 introduction updates

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Trying to boost tourism during January time when tourism is traditionally low?
More like offering cheaper prices at a time less people use the train so it doesn't cost him and his cronies as much. It would have been a much better PR move to offer it in December when lots of people would be heading into the city centre! Not a surprise someone like Rotheram has done it this way though
 
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The 555s started a limited introduction on the T&W network before New Year, and they have already started having door and brake issues. It seems Stadler haven't learned anything from the 777s
 

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More like offering cheaper prices at a time less people use the train so it doesn't cost him and his cronies as much. It would have been a much better PR move to offer it in December when lots of people would be heading into the city centre! Not a surprise someone like Rotheram has done it this way though
I took advantage of this over the weekend. Haven't been to Liverpool for 30 years, but by chance coincided exactly with a trip I'd booked a few months back. Travelled from Hamilton Square into the city centre on both days, and each day we had near enough a carriage to ourselves. Surely it's not always like this at the weekend? Liverpool were playing at home as well.
 

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I took advantage of this over the weekend. Haven't been to Liverpool for 30 years, but by chance coincided exactly with a trip I'd booked a few months back. Travelled from Hamilton Square into the city centre on both days, and each day we had near enough a carriage to ourselves. Surely it's not always like this at the weekend? Liverpool were playing at home as well.
I can’t speak for Merseyrail’s Wirral loadings on Saturdays but their Northern line operations are well used, particularly to and from Southport line stations.
 

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Its will be interesting to see the punctuality statistics this month . Headbolt lane is a catastrophe. Plus with regard to the 2 pound offer it was available as the last 4 Thursday nights before Christmas in the past.
 

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Surely it's not always like this at the weekend? Liverpool were playing at home as well
Worth noting that Liverpool were playing on Sunday so no-one would be heading from the Wirral to the game on Saturday.

And surely everyone on the Wirral supports Tranmere anyway...
 

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To be back on subject to the gritter/leaf blower train has passed spital but thats been it all night/day . That never happened when we had the 507/8. In far worse weather.
 

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To be back on subject to the gritter/leaf blower train has passed spital but thats been it all night/day . That never happened when we had the 507/8. In far worse weather.
777s have a safety system on board. When there is limited power from the 3rd rail they essentially shut down to protect themselves. They can limp to a station but won’t do more


This is designed to stop scenes we saw with the 507s where the motors blew in the winter. But that does mean that Network rail will need to keep the third rail de iced as much as possible
 

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777s have a safety system on board. When there is limited power from the 3rd rail they essentially shut down to protect themselves. They can limp to a station but won’t do more
Sounds like they all need to be given batteries and made into /1s then, that'd get around the problem.
 

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To be back on subject to the gritter/leaf blower train has passed spital but thats been it all night/day . That never happened when we had the 507/8. In far worse weather.
Coming from someone who drove them it certainly did happen with 507/8s, the difference being they tended to weld to the live rail and blow the equipment.

The issues down South Wirral were infrastructure and flooding related rather than the units.
 

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777s have a safety system on board. When there is limited power from the 3rd rail they essentially shut down to protect themselves. They can limp to a station but won’t do more


This is designed to stop scenes we saw with the 507s where the motors blew in the winter. But that does mean that Network rail will need to keep the third rail de iced as much as possible
Were Network Rail made aware of and provided with the funding to do that? There isn't much point ordering new stock that behaves in a different way to existing stock if you require an outside organisation to change things to make it work and just expect it to happen.
 

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Were Network Rail made aware of and provided with the funding to do that? There isn't much point ordering new stock that behaves in a different way to existing stock if you require an outside organisation to change things to make it work and just expect it to happen.
It's pretty standard for most modern third rail stock, Network rail are fully aware. It's also up to Network rail to keep infrastructure open to traffic as it always has been, in defence of them though that's easier said than done with 3rd rail sometimes.
 

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They might be aware but have they been provided with funding? NR has budgets to deal with and can't just automatically do what a TOC wants it to because it is using different rolling stock.
 

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To be back on subject to the gritter/leaf blower train has passed spital but thats been it all night/day . That never happened when we had the 507/8. In far worse weather.
Fault with signalling system. Not sure even the fabled 507/8s would be able to run with that
 

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They might be aware but have they been provided with funding? NR has budgets to deal with and can't just automatically do what a TOC wants it to because it is using different rolling stock.
It's NRs job to keep the live rail clear no matter what type of stock is using it and will already be part of any funding plan. 507/8s needed a clear live rail just as much as 777s do.
Where the funding had changed was where the sub stations were upgraded to provide the increased power the 777s draw from the system.
 

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Looks like a unit is stuck between Old Roan and Maghull. 2O04 departed Old Roan at 0740 and hasn't made it to Maghull (or back to Old Roan). Another unit now running as 1Z99 attempting a rescue.
 

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Looks like a unit is stuck between Old Roan and Maghull. 2O04 departed Old Roan at 0740 and hasn't made it to Maghull (or back to Old Roan). Another unit now running as 1Z99 attempting a rescue.
Whole network appears to be struggling with every line showing 'major disruption' and basically sort yourself out until further notice.
 

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Whole network appears to be struggling with every line showing 'major disruption' and basically sort yourself out until further notice.
All Wirral lines suspended, and on the Northern line there appears to only be a couple of Headbolt services, and a limited shuttle between Formby and Liverpool on the Southport line. Very messy this morning!

EDIT: 1Z99 is still sat between Maghull and Old Roan, so perhaps the rescue train is now stuck too.
 

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All Wirral lines suspended, and on the Northern line there appears to only be a couple of Headbolt services, and a limited shuttle between Formby and Liverpool on the Southport line. Very messy this morning!

EDIT: 1Z99 is still sat between Maghull and Old Roan, so perhaps the rescue train is now stuck too.
As an aside, is it possible to use a battery unit to rescue another train, assuming that the issue is ice on the third rail, and would they?
 

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The Merseyrail website is currently saying, "We are currently dealing with several trapped trains and very poor rail conditions". Not great.
 

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It wasn't great yesterday with the only Wirral services being to Rock Ferry.
They had a couple trains running Hooton to Chester and EPort, supplemented by buses. They were trapped at that end so I suppose they thought they might as well use them.
 

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The Merseyrail website is currently saying, "We are currently dealing with several trapped trains and very poor rail conditions". Not great.
What has the weather been like in Liverpool? In south Wales, twice this week we have had rain in the evening followed by a heavy frost. Tuesday morning was awful. Sheet of ice on everything. I saw several vehicles, including a bus, slide past the house with all wheels locked. Light snow or frost is easy enough to brush off the third rail. Solid ice, not so easy.

Do any third rail TOCs run ad hoc trains through the night to try and keep things going? I recall chatting to a guard in the 1990s. He worked a pair of EPBs between Victoria and Gillingham overnight.
 

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What has the weather been like in Liverpool? In south Wales, twice this week we have had rain in the evening followed by a heavy frost. Tuesday morning was awful. Sheet of ice on everything. I saw several vehicles, including a bus, slide past the house with all wheels locked. Light snow or frost is easy enough to brush off the third rail. Solid ice, not so easy.

Do any third rail TOCs run ad hoc trains through the night to try and keep things going? I recall chatting to a guard in the 1990s. He worked a pair of EPBs between Victoria and Gillingham overnight.
That's basically what we've had. Very wet for days, then heavy snow, then frosts and intermittent snow, rain and hail. I've been driving the rail replacement for Merseyrail this week. The area of South Wirral is still blanketed in snow and the ground is absolutely sodden. I got back to my car last night and had to climb in through the boot as the whole car was a lump of ice.
 

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Sadly. Merseyrail falling apart during icy weather is nothing new. It hasn’t been uncommon over the last 10 years or so during such weather to see services not starting until late morning or broken down train littering the network as they can’t draw current from the third rail or welded themselves to it.

As one of my former commuter friends once put it. Merseyrail the fair weather operator. They’ve long since given up and got a car instead.

There was quite a heavy sleet shower south Wirral this morning which wouldn’t have helped. Wonder how long it will be before Hooton to Chester will be flooded again?
 

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Unless there's possessions in place overnight which would make it impossible, surely it's cheaper to pay for a few drivers to come in and book a few paths to keep trains moving over night to prevent such issues, rather than the cost of providing rail replacements and upsetting customers.

I presume in this instance network rail would be liable for the delay/cancellation costs as its their track anyway but still.
 

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