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Metrocar updates and withdrawals - Tyne & Wear Metro

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Re the 1980s at Beamish, I believe they first ran an appeal for ‘1950s stuff’ well over ten years ago, and at the same time they also mentioned that they’d need 1980s gadgets for the future. I suppose they have to look well ahead, no good waiting until everyone’s junked all their 80s home contents. Coincidentally, in Geoff Marshall’s latest TWM video he also states that a Metrocar is destined for Beamish.
 
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4057 is the latest unit to be withdrawn. As with previous withdrawals it’s been stripped for parts.

The Tyne & Wear Metro is the only place in the UK where a 1500V DC vehicle can operate on its own power. No Metrocar will run on its own power again after it leaves Howdon by road, including 4020 when it goes to Beamish.
 

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I was at Beamish museum yesturday where I asked if a Metro train is going to be preserved there. They wearn't sure.
Can anyone on here shed any light on the possibily??
Have just watched a Geoff Marshall video on You Tube re the new Class 555 units.He said that one of the old ones IS going to Beamish Museum.
 

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Have just watched a Geoff Marshall video on You Tube re the new Class 555 units.He said that one of the old ones IS going to Beamish Museum.
I saw that! Plus the one that is going to Stevensons!

I was so hot on a 599 this afternoon that I nearly passed out!!
Plus, it appears that it has had a major oil spill.
I didn't get the fleet number as I alighted at Millfield. Metro must have really reduced the care and maintainance program on the old stock as they are beyond shabby!
 
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I rode the network last Thursday for about six hours,all but one on the old stock.Not a problem all day,kept time and quite comfy.
The bonus was South Shields to North Shields ferry,we slipt off the quay and then had to wait for HMS Somerset to pass up river,she was in for four day visit after escorting Russian naval vessels.Well earned rest for the crew,and a lovely sight.
 

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I rode the network last Thursday for about six hours,all but one on the old stock.Not a problem all day,kept time and quite comfy.
The bonus was South Shields to North Shields ferry,we slipt off the quay and then had to wait for HMS Somerset to pass up river,she was in for four day visit after escorting Russian naval vessels.Well earned rest for the crew,and a lovely sight.
Oh yes I saw that! I visited on Saturday and did see the new stock twice but didn’t ride unfortunately.
 

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4057 has left for scrap. Quickest turnaround so far as that was only withdrawn a couple of weeks ago.

You might want to update the section at the bottom as T121 now runs on weekends.
It’s on my to-do list but it’s a time consuming job as it involves typing out over 40 diagrams in full so it’ll have to wait a few days until I have more time. In the meantime I’ve added a note to clarify that T121 is not Metrocar worked on weekends anymore.
 

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4016 has went for scrap today. Surprised 45 or 46 hasn't went since they have been out of use since at least December
I'd say 45 is more likely as it's been robbed for various parts. 46 has actually had bits put back on and replaced as recently as March.
 

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Does make you wonder when 4001, 10 and 40 will eventually leave, surely there's barely any other parts you can take off them now? I wonder if both 4001/10 has the same issue as 4040 and it can't be moved via other metrocars.

Either way, they are certainly going through them now, won't be too long before half the fleet is gone for good!
 

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When was that last in use? Sure it was really recent 4016.
Only a couple of weeks ago - to the extent that it wasn't marked internally as stopped. It's significantly easier to shift an in-tact unit surplus to requirements than one with various pieces of equipment missing complicating such matters.
 

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Wonder if we might start soon to see a unit self power to Howdon for scrap, as I'm sure it was mentioned it might happen eventually, and maybe they have all the spare parts they need.
 

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Wonder if we might start soon to see a unit self power to Howdon for scrap, as I'm sure it was mentioned it might happen eventually, and maybe they have all the spare parts they need.
doubt it, can’t see them chancing a single car around the coast, only place a single car normally runs is on a brake test up to the airport and turned on the Y.

Anybody know how the cars are chosen for scrap? With 16/57 still running a few weeks ago. Due major exams? Serious faults which now aren’t worth fixing? I know there are problem cars which have the same recurring issues.
 

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doubt it, can’t see them chancing a single car around the coast, only place a single car normally runs is on a brake test up to the airport and turned on the Y.

Anybody know how the cars are chosen for scrap? With 16/57 still running a few weeks ago. Due major exams? Serious faults which now aren’t worth fixing? I know there are problem cars which have the same recurring issues.
I believe earlier cars were mainly those stopped awaiting routine maintenance/replacement parts that were unavailable and thus they became parts donors for other cars. More recently there was a number of cars that picked up flats over the autumn period, and would've required new sets of tyres due to the existing ones being at the size limit.

I don't believe many at all have been scrapped due to in-service breakdowns - there are some cars with recurring faults, but a lot of in-service faults get turned around very quickly.
 

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Only a couple of weeks ago - to the extent that it wasn't marked internally as stopped. It's significantly easier to shift an in-tact unit surplus to requirements than one with various pieces of equipment missing complicating such matters.
It seems like they are scrapping these Metros faster than they are introducing the new ones into service.
Has there been any recent deliveries of new trains?
It certainly looks like a fast changing situation!!
 

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It seems like they are scrapping these Metros faster than they are introducing the new ones into service.
Has there been any recent deliveries of new trains?
It certainly looks like a fast changing situation!!
Hopefully the frequency doesn’t drop to 15 minutes…
 

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Hopefully the frequency doesn’t drop to 15 minutes…
There's still plenty of spare 599s each day, the scrappings of last year in particular meant a lot of spare parts could be salvaged to reinstate loads of long term out of use cars.
 

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Hopefully the frequency doesn’t drop to 15 minutes…
Fleet availability of 599s isn't really much different (in fact on some days, it's better) than its been in previous months as several units have returned to service in recent months after being out of use long term. As @Tramfan says this is down to the amount of spare parts made available from scrapped sets.

You've also got four diagrams handed over to 555s on weekdays which means that eight fewer units are required. There is no risk of any kind of service reduction as a result of 599 withdrawals.
 

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Fleet availability of 599s isn't really much different (in fact on some days, it's better) than its been in previous months as several units have returned to service in recent months after being out of use long term. As @Tramfan says this is down to the amount of spare parts made available from scrapped sets.

You've also got four diagrams handed over to 555s on weekdays which means that eight fewer units are required. There is no risk of any kind of service reduction as a result of 599 withdrawals.
Great to hear! Bring on the new sets I say, and bring back the 10 minute headways (5 in the core) as soon as possible!
 
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Great to hear! Bring on the new sets I say, and bring back the 10 minute headways (5 in the core) as soon as possible!
Would be great to have a 10 minute frequency. I would love to see more diagrams to be honest. It would benefit the general public and actual train fans for having more metros to spot.
 

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Would be great to have a 10 minute frequency. I would love to see more diagrams to be honest. It would benefit the general public and actual train fans for having more metros to spot.

The whole point of dueling the South Shields line was so a 10 min daytime frequency with a 5 min frequency between Pelaw and South Gosforth will eventually happen but I suspect it won't happen until all the old fleet have been replaced

Would be nice too see some sort of peak service return also, not sure if passenger numbers fully justify it but on my visits, it can be quite crowded during the busy times and if metro do want to try and attract passengers back again, then comfort is of course an important factor.

Also to note, why so many trains are getting scrapped now is because not a single train after 4052 went last July so there was quite a fair bit of catching up to do. With quite a few 555s looking poised to enter service soon then I won't be surprised if the rate of old trains going won't drop all that much.
 
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Am hoping to get up to Tyneside over the Late May Bank Hol. Hopefully my ladt 2 Metrocars for Haulage 4030 and 4059 will still be around by then....
 

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