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Discussion in 'Infrastructure & Stations' started by Karhedron, 20 Dec 2010.
Is it possible there might be at least something in the National Archives at Kew?
No sign of anything listed except Ilford Goods and Ley Street Sidings for coal and S to S traffic, nothing in the London rail atlas either. No goods facilities under Seven Kings. Wagons dealt with in public facilities with no private siding agreement wouldn't show up.
However I also came across a company I'd not heard of at Stratford - British Feeding Meals & Milk Products Co which may have been another to add to the list.
I've a WTT from 1970/71 which shows a milk train from the West London area running to this facility at Ilford most days. It's rather buried at the moment but I'll try and dig it up and see what further information it has.
It might be worth making an enquiry to Surrey County Archive as I believe Thames Ditton is in Surrey and the MMB was based there. When the MMB was broken up and Dairy Crest, which in MMB days was the manufacturing arm, took over the business. Milk sales went to various co-ops such as Milk Link.
Dairy Crest also took over many of the Unigate plants. Unigate is now a very small organisation and trades under the name Uniq . When it was formed, in the sixties, it's head office was in Trowbridge so archive material may have gone to the county archive for Wiltshire
I hope this helps.
There is a shot here of the Unigate depot at Ilford. It would appears to still be in use in 1978 judging by the tankers in residence.
Express head office was Ruislip so you could try archives there
i am surpised Dairy Crest dont have any archives from Unigate but then again!!
If anyones doing Guiness Park Royal I have some pics of Unicorn when she was there working in the early 90s on the beer keg traffic when I was working there for Alfa Laval
Another one bit the dust!
seems to have quite alot of info on milk
Thanks for the picture link, Karhedron.
The Unigate depot was on the South side of the line; the coaches on the right are in the Ilford carriage sidings which lie between Ilford and Seven Kings stations. I worked at Plesseys, just north of the carriage sidings, in 1967 to 1969. I have to admit that despite passing it most days I just don't remember the Unigate depot at all!
There used to be a very large MMB site at Llandudno Junction, closed down about ten years ago, this used to have its own sidings only a short distance from Junction platforms.
Just dug out my copy of 'Through Limestone Hills' by Bill Hudson which contains the following reference to Rowsley.
The trackwork consisted of 5 sidings, one of which served the Express Dairy opened June 1933 on an adjacent site. It was agreed the the 4 remaining sidings be retained for loco coal for Rowsley & Buxton. At the same meeting the Chief Commercial Mgr recommended a 99 year lease be granted to the Express Dairy on approx 2538 sqr yds of land upon which the company had already erected a milk cooling depot, spray, pond condenser and filter plant. This seems a strange method of estate management and certainly an odd way to set up business but on being informed that in the 12 months to the end of May '34 the carriage value of milk forwarded from Rowsley was £16,886 the committee retrospectively granted the lease. Milk tanks were normally attached to the 5.18pm local to Derby for Cricklewood or the 10.15pm express freight to Brent. He includes a picture of the royal train in Rowsley station alongside 4 milk tanks in the siding.
The opening of Rowsley was the reason for the closure of Ecton dairy on the Leek & Manifold line.
I have come across a few more pictures to share. The first is milk tankers being unloaded at Vauxhall.
Next we have the milk dock at West Ealing.
And then the Express Dairies facility at Morden. This is parhaps the most interesting as it shows a great view of the covered part of the sidings.
Last of all is some vintage footage from the S&D in the 1960s. It shows milk tanks being shunted at Bailey Gate.
The bay at West Ealing is still there, albeit overgrown, behind platform 3.
I was a Fireman at Guildford in the 1960s, with Nine Elms depot being so short of staff I was often sent "on loan"to do the crap jobs that Nine Elms men did not want. These jobs included Clapham Waterloo empty stock working, shed shunting, P&D Preperation and Disposal. One of the better jobs was the Vauxhall milk where the tanks were unloaded in what is now the up Windsor Slow platform. You could snooze on the engine ( normally an M7 their nickname was a motor tank )for up to four hours while the tanks were emptied, some times you got relief and had not turned a wheel. The stainless steal pipes were laid along the platform so the platform could not be used for passenger trains. One day having got relief having been on loan with a Guildfod Driver whose spelling was even worse than mine, we were going home pass on a fast train to Guildford during the rush hour with a compartment full of comuters when he started making his Driver's ticket ( a daily work sheet) out. He then said in a loud voice " Bill how many K's in Vauxhall.
Thanks for putting these photos up - I have seen a number of references to milk trains serving Vauxhall and could never work out where they went to (assuming they served some siding or depot). It amazing to see them pumping milk into a pipe network on the actual platform. Any idea where the pipes then went to?
Yes, they dropped down through the platform into the bottling plant which was located in the arches underneath.
Here is an interesting one I have come across. This is the former United Dairies depot at Finchley Central (now in use as a car wash). The line to Mill Hill East is the lower one while the High Barnet Branch is towards the top of the picture.
I do not know if this facility ever had a rail connection although I am guessing not. There is a height difference of a couple of metres on the cutting side. Anyone shed any light on this?
Another one for the Album here. The United Dairies depot in Forest Hill was converted from a former brewery that had been used by the Air Training Corps.
Found this link on another forum.
Nice article about Wimbledon to Sutton line history.
Toward the end a picture of Morden South Express Dairy sidings and building and at the end a description of the dairy train workings.
I doubt if this helps much, as someone mentioned it earlier, but I've been led to believe that the Manifold Valley Line's principle source of income was from shipping milk. There were about 8 stations on the line, the majority of which had at least 1 siding, specifically for milk trucks. Check out...
...which shows the line. There is clearly some milk churns on a truck visible through the loco window.
A shot of Morden dairy tracked down on flikr
A few other random photos of milk trains also on flikr - some not so good quality, but one interesting shot of road-rail tankers on the move - apologies if anyone has listed any of these already
a good shot of a preserved milk van
also several shots on flikr from India and New Zealand of milk tanks by rail
Preserved museum stock tracked down on line seems to be found at
Covent Garden - Metropolitan milk van no3
Severn Valley - GWR milk brake 1399
York NRM - United Dairies 44057
GlosWarks - St Ivel DW3043
N Yorks Moors - Express Dairy B3192
Quainton - Unigate 2536
Keighley Worth Valley - 6 wheeler in departmental use ADW44082
Midland Rly Butterley - United Dairies ADW44018
Servern Valley - W2504
Rutland - underframe only B3176
Tyseley - under restoration 44069
Help or not, this was a great little film of a most interesting 2'6" railway. Opened in 1904, closed in 1934. And what a winding route it was, too!
I really enjoyed the hand-shunting of the standard-gauge car up onto the narrow-gauge flat car.
Just FYI - I counted 10 stations on the line inclusive from Waterhouses to Hulme End.
I also see it is still a hiking trail. Has anyone done the path?