Elecman
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Not if You are lineside of the access gateAre foot crossings allowed provided you stand back?
Not if You are lineside of the access gateAre foot crossings allowed provided you stand back?
they do anywayCrap idea, people will still turn up at footcrossings and bridges.
What's your source for that?I thought you needed a permit to take photographs on Network rail property
The huge delays are caused by passengers being "lineside". Quite apart from your idea being unworkable, it would make those problems worse.Stations are private places. Maybe they should insist on photography permits at £10 a go when there are kettles about.
Agreed. You'd get those people who don't read the fine print and think it'll allow them trackside access. Then one of them will be killed one day and all passes have to be revoked, leaving us back where we started.it would make those problems worse.
If they have then they should be making it common knowledge. This has to be equally about creating a deterrent going forward as much as punishing those who have committed an offence in this case
Inncocent until proven guilty if they are charged with something.
How people quickly forget the falsely (and very publicly) accused Gatwick drone couple...
I didn't mean name and shame (I don't particularly agree with this anyway), more just a statement to say that they have made arrests in connection with the trespass incidents. People only need to know that it's happened for it to become a deterrent
OK. I will go and wander round airside and take photos at manchester Airport tomorrow.And for those getting arrested, charged and given a meaningful punishment to make it a better deterrent. (I.e. not "Bert was arrested for trespass on the line, he was given a fine of £100 and made to work 2 hours of community service")
Unfortunately we've learned from bitter experience that name-and-shame, prosecution, whatever simply doesn't work.
It might (and only might) stop that one particular individual, but it doesn't create the general lack of acceptance of the problem which what is actually needed, because all the idiots (be they enthusiasts, random members of the public, or railway staff who should know better) believe that they're exceptional and whatever-it-is doesn't actually apply to them.
Why try to exclude from the photo the effect it has on people ?
I wager that the gent on the right is of the old school "too much health and safety, what happened to personal responsibility?" brigade. Looks like he's enjoying himself, either way.
I get the impression that you really don't understand the sheer numbers of people involved. It's not a couple of trespassers at only one location during the journey, it's a couple of idiots like those pictured above at one point, then a group like those videoed at the next bridge, a couple more climbing the fence in the field after that, a family or two messing around at the next footpath crossing and so on and so on for the whole trip - and that's ignoring the people who aren't doing anything wrong but who's behaviour suggests that they should be gently watched in case, in their ignorance, they do put themselves at risk.
You do realise that in much of the country BTP struggle to round up the half-a-dozen officers to police a football train, don't you? There's absolutely no way they could pull together enough officers to arrest the number of people trespassing when Scotsman is around, even if those people docilely cooperated with being arrested. And every arrest means the arresting officer gets to take that arrested person to the nearest police station with a custody suite, which then means there one fewer police officer for the rest of the journey...
The local police are no better off; they'll often have fewer than half-a-dozen effectives at any one time across an entire division, so it's not as if they can call up a few van-loads to assist BTP.
I hope the person taking this picture is ok....looks a bit too close
I hope the person taking this picture is ok....looks a bit too close
I get the impression that you really don't understand the sheer numbers of people involved. It's not a couple of trespassers at only one location during the journey, it's a couple of idiots like those pictured above at one point, then a group like those videoed at the next bridge, a couple more climbing the fence in the field after that, a family or two messing around at the next footpath crossing and so on and so on for the whole trip - and that's ignoring the people who aren't doing anything wrong but who's behaviour suggests that they should be gently watched in case, in their ignorance, they do put themselves at risk.
You do realise that in much of the country BTP struggle to round up the half-a-dozen officers to police a football train, don't you? There's absolutely no way they could pull together enough officers to arrest the number of people trespassing when Scotsman is around, even if those people docilely cooperated with being arrested. And every arrest means the arresting officer gets to take that arrested person to the nearest police station with a custody suite, which then means there one fewer police officer for the rest of the journey...
The local police are no better off; they'll often have fewer than half-a-dozen effectives at any one time across an entire division, so it's not as if they can call up a few van-loads to assist BTP.
Post of the week!Are we sure that those two are actually there for the Flying Scotsman ?
The one at the back has their camera pointed at the other one. I'm thinking this might just be a photoshoot for the summer M&S catalogue and the bloke at the front is a professional model.
As I said in my post on the previous page, shooting fish in a barrel. This is an easy catch, especially as some of the tresspassers were supposedly land owners.Also, as someone alluded to elsewhere, I don’t think they’ll be needing the helicopter to help keep track of grandad escaping across fields! A few well-publicised £1000k fines would certainly make many people think.
Yep. Made me laugh too.Post of the week!
You might want to put a few smileys on though, given the history of this thread!
Yes I realise BTP are thinly spread, but we’re not talking about a massive commitment. A specific train, which only comes out once in a blue moon, and a crime which is pretty easy to detect. Also, as someone alluded to elsewhere, I don’t think they’ll be needing the helicopter to help keep track of grandad escaping across fields! A few well-publicised £1000k fines would certainly make many people think.
I think the point was that *more* people would turn up, leading to even larger unsupervised crowds in locations which really aren't appropriate for them.they do anyway
I wager that the gent on the right is of the old school "too much health and safety, what happened to personal responsibility?" brigade. Looks like he's enjoying himself, either way.
I am sure they are OK being in close proximity to those specimens. People like that are more a danger to themselves!I hope the person taking this picture is ok....looks a bit too close
You could quite easily get shot.OK. I will go and wander round airside and take photos at manchester Airport tomorrow.
OK. I will go and wander round airside and take photos at manchester Airport tomorrow.