My idea for a ICWC timetable

[cal12]

this would be my ideal icwc timetable, i know that now stock is not available so this is more of a fantasy one, having read other threads about the icwc timetables here is my suggestion.

which similar to pre VHF stops can be done on an alternating, basis so all if not most stops can have direct connections to most parts of the west coast.

e.g hour 1

From London

xx.00 To Manchester - watford, crewe, wilmslow, stockport
xx.03 Glasgow - milton keynes, coventry, international, new st, wolverhampton, crewe, warrington, wigan, preston, lancaster, oxenholme/penrith (alternating), carlisle, motherwell.
xx.08 chester/north wales - rugby, nuneaton, crewe, chester. then some extensions flint, prestatyn, rhyl, colwyn bay, llandudno junction, bangor.
xx.15 liverpool - crewe, warrington.
xx.20 manchester - milton keynes, stoke, stockport.
xx.23 wolverhampton/some extension to shrewsbury. watford, coventry, international, new st, sandwell & dudley, wolverhampton, with the extensions to shrewsbury - wellington, telford.
xx.30 Glasgow - preston, lancaster, carlisle.
xx.40 manchester - stoke, macclesfield, stockport.
xx.43 birmingham - rugby, coventry, international.
xx.50 Liverpool - milton keynes, stafford, runcorn.

hour 2

xx.00 manchester - rugby, crewe, wilmslow, stockport.
xx.03 edinburgh - watford, coventry, international, new st, wolverhampton, crewe, warrington, wigan, preston, lancaster, oxenholme/penrith (alternating), carlisle, haymarket.
xx.08 chester/north wales - milton keynes, nuneaton, crewe, chester. as above stations onto holyhead.
xx.15 Liverpool - crewe, warrington
xx.20 - manchester - milton keynes, stoke, stockport.
xx.23 - wolverhampton/shrewsbury - milton keynes, coventry, international, new st, sandwell & dudley, wolverhampton, with the extensions to shrewsbury - wellington, telford.
xx.30 Glasgow -preston, lancaster, carlisle.
xx.40 manchester - stoke, macclesfiels, stockport.
xx.43 birmngham - rugby, coventry, international.
xx.50. Liverpool - watford, stafford, runcorn.


so watford, milton keynes both get a 2 hourly liverpool train as pre vhf, watford has a 2 hourly manchester train.combine the london-birmingham with birmingham to scotland as 1 through train then glasgow and edinburgh have connections to other places along the wcml.
nuneaton has a fast london train and onto north wales for decent connections at crewe aswell. and 2 trains an hour to scotland restoring 1 per 2 hours at motherwell lost by east coast not going through to Glasgow any more.
A fast Glasgow train.
this is based when the liverpool - manchester route will be electified

not exactly the clockface thing were used to now, not perfect by any means but we dont live in a perfect world.
so feel free to post any suggestions you may have.

 

[JonathanH]

this would be my ideal icwc timetable, i know that now stock is not available so this is more of a fantasy one, having read other threads about the icwc timetables here is my suggestion.

which similar to pre VHF stops can be done on an alternating, basis so all if not most stops can have direct connections to most parts of the west coast.

e.g hour 1

From London

xx.00 To Manchester - watford, crewe, wilmslow, stockport
xx.03 Glasgow - milton keynes, coventry, international, new st, wolverhampton, crewe, warrington, wigan, preston, lancaster, oxenholme/penrith (alternating), carlisle, motherwell.
xx.08 chester/north wales - rugby, nuneaton, crewe, chester. then some extensions flint, prestatyn, rhyl, colwyn bay, llandudno junction, bangor.
xx.15 liverpool - crewe, warrington.
xx.20 manchester - milton keynes, stoke, stockport.
xx.23 wolverhampton/some extension to shrewsbury. watford, coventry, international, new st, sandwell & dudley, wolverhampton, with the extensions to shrewsbury - wellington, telford.
xx.30 Glasgow - preston, lancaster, carlisle.
xx.40 manchester - stoke, macclesfield, stockport.
xx.43 birmingham - rugby, coventry, international.
xx.50 Liverpool - milton keynes, stafford, runcorn.

hour 2

xx.00 manchester - rugby, crewe, wilmslow, stockport.
xx.03 edinburgh - watford, coventry, international, new st, wolverhampton, crewe, warrington, wigan, preston, lancaster, oxenholme/penrith (alternating), carlisle, haymarket.
xx.08 chester/north wales - milton keynes, nuneaton, crewe, chester. as above stations onto holyhead.
xx.15 Liverpool - crewe, warrington
xx.20 - manchester - milton keynes, stoke, stockport.
xx.23 - wolverhampton/shrewsbury - milton keynes, coventry, international, new st, sandwell & dudley, wolverhampton, with the extensions to shrewsbury - wellington, telford.
xx.30 Glasgow -preston, lancaster, carlisle.
xx.40 manchester - stoke, macclesfiels, stockport.
xx.43 birmngham - rugby, coventry, international.
xx.50. Liverpool - watford, stafford, runcorn.


so watford, milton keynes both get a 2 hourly liverpool train as pre vhf, watford has a 2 hourly manchester train.combine the london-birmingham with birmingham to scotland as 1 through train then glasgow and edinburgh have connections to other places along the wcml.
nuneaton has a fast london train and onto north wales for decent connections at crewe aswell. and 2 trains an hour to scotland restoring 1 per 2 hours at motherwell lost by east coast not going through to Glasgow any more.
A fast Glasgow train.
this is based when the liverpool - manchester route will be electified

not exactly the clockface thing were used to now, not perfect by any means but we dont live in a perfect world.
so feel free to post any suggestions you may have.

You can't have a train that stops at Watford immediately followed by one that stops at Milton Keynes and then followed by one that stops at Rugby. Try it the other way round. The Rugby train would be held up by both trains in front.

 

[455driver]

you need an hourly calling pattern not 2 hourly.

 

[calc7]

What about the "Project 110" London Midland services that take paths on the Fasts?
Why has the fastest Manchester train been slowed down?
Won't the xx03 Scotland train be running about 15 minutes behind the following xx30 by Crewe?
How do you propose to get from Warrington to Liverpool? The current xx07 trains peel off the WCML at Weaver Junction, south of Warrington.

 

[cal12]

You can't have a train that stops at Watford immediately followed by one that stops at Milton Keynes and then followed by one that stops at Rugby. Try it the other way round. The Rugby train would be held up by both trains in front.

ok i see your point on that, your right it does look like it would work much better. thx for that one

 

[martinsh]

I don't think people in Wigan would be best pleased with this ...

 

[cal12]

What about the "Project 110" London Midland services that take paths on the Fasts?
Why has the fastest Manchester train been slowed down?
Won't the xx03 Scotland train be running about 15 minutes behind the following xx30 by Crewe?
How do you propose to get from Warrington to Liverpool? The current xx07 trains peel off the WCML at Weaver Junction, south of Warrington.

remember there is the transpennine trains from preston to Glasgow and Edinburgh aswell, even today its similar at preston with the trains from london going to glasgow leaving at xx.41 roughly and the one from birmngham to scotland leaving preston at xx.53 roughly.
the manchester trains are the same as today apart from the crewe route which has an extra stop and how long is it going to add really 3 minutes, dont think most people will care too much about such little time.
there is a junction just north of warrington via earlestown and st helens to liverpool. remember this is based on after electrification of liverpool - manchester. so therefore warrington has gained an extra london albeit a slow one, and still retains a relatively fast one and liverpool gains an extra train an hour. win win.



not clockface i know but this isnt a perfect railway at the end of the day. people all over the country moan about losing direct connections to places so this plugs the gap alternating hourly. even then i guess cant please everyone