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1. Kenyon Jn - Leigh - Eccles (removing the misguided busway)
2. St. Helens - St. Helens Junction (but only worth doing if there are through trains to Manchester or beyond.)
3. Exeter - Okehampton - Plymouth.
4. Chinley - Matlock - Derby.
5. Harrogate - Ripon - Northallerton

Reserve list:
York - Beverley - Hull.
Perth - Forfar - Kinnaber Jn (potential for faster Glasgow/Aberdeen services)
Lewes / Eastbourne - Uckfield, Heathfield, Tunbridge Wells & related lines.
March - Spalding
GCR main line (with new connections to MML & WCML, mainly as freight route to release paths on other lines, and avoid need to spend ££££££ on HS2.)

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I would also love to see the St Helens Central - St Helens Junction link Line reopened, I think the Green Partys idea of building a couple of stations on the line and running a Carr Mill, St Helens Central, station on the link line, St Helens Junction and Earlstown Railway Service would work out as the demand is there!
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I think you must live quite near me. I would agree with both of those and add in the St Helens Central to St Helens Junction line. I would love it to continue into Widnes as well, but too much of it has been built on.

I live in Thatto Heath so most likley near yourself, I agree the Widnes connection would be nice but i cant see that being done, I wonder if the Track thats still down on the line is in a useable condition or if it needs to be replaced.
 
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A professional study has already been done to determine Ripon-Thirsk v Ripon-Northallerton. Due to the distance of Thirsk station from the town, the complication of making a junction with a four-track ECML and the time penalty for travelling north via Thirsk, it was deemed uneconomical and Ripon-Northallerton is the preferred route
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I can't believe we have actually agreed on something.

we will agree on many things I am sure. ;)

I would love to be able to support Ripon - Northallerton (beyond a principle) but just cant see where the funding or return will come from. The same for Leamside!
 

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A few more that probably won't ever happen, but I want to list.

1) Rugby to Leamington Spa

2) Mersey Docks and Harbour Company link at Birkenhead

3) Latchford to Skelton Junction

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My 5 would be

1) Oxford-Thame-Princess Risborough (could be used by extending Chiltern railways service to oxford to form a loop service similar to what was the Oldham loop)

Won't happen, particularly now Chiltern have got their Oxford link via Bicester.

2) Banbury- Brackley- Buckingham- Verney Junction (a:could become an arm east to west service on the Varsity line. B:ideal to ease congestion on the A43 during Grand Prix at Silverstone as spectators can travel via rail to Brackley for connecting bus shuttles to the race circuit.)

There are already excellent bus connections for GP weekend to Silverstone from the stations which are already there. The reason people also choose to drive is some spend the whole weekend there, so frankly taking a whole weekend's food and camping gear by train isn't really viable.

Add to that the GP is one weekend a year. There are only two weekends a year when the police put in place controls on the A43 - the other being the Superbikes. Every other event at Silverstone - including the classic, manage with the infrastructure as it is.

You might just about argue for a Buckingham to Verney line when EWR is back up and running, but even that's doubtful.

3) grand central main line from Aylesbury to the Midlands main line at Leicester (can never work out why a main line built to intentionally link up to the continent was closed)

You can blame BR for that one - the decision to transfer it to BR London Midland control from BR Eastern was the reason, plain and simple. BR LM was run by ex-LMS management who hated the GCR and viewed it as an upstart. That mentality ensued all the way through the 70s and 80s and the remains of the lines from Marylebone's fortunes only improved when control was transferred to the Western Region.


4) The East Lincolnshire line from Grimsby to Boston via Louth including the Mabelthorpe loop (should make a great alternative route to Grimsby from the south)

Does Grimsby need an alternative route?

5) Kings Sutton- Kingham- Cheltenham spa (should make a good diversionary route between Birmingham and Cheltenham for south west bound cross country services)

Re-opening Stratford - Honeybourne would offer most of that and is probably far more viable in that it offers a sensible Oxford - Stratford link.
 

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Someone mentioned Blaenau Ffestiniog-Trawsfynydd. The attached may give it a glimmer of a chance.
 

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Hereford - Gloucester via Ross
Worcester - Leominster via Bromyard, then complete the line as was planned to Aberystwyth via Kington !
 

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4. Sharpness to Lydney (small matter of rebuilding a bridge...)

This is a much missed connection as far as Lydney is concerned. Sharpness and Berkeley children used this route to travel to Lydney Grammar School even after the bridge was damaged by travelling via Gloucester until July 1962. The only problem was that the last trains ran no later than 18:00ish

My mother preferred to travel this way to Gloucester and beyond as Lydney Town station was in the centre of Lydney, whereas Lydney Junction was over a mile from Lydney town centre and connections from Town station at the Junction were not good and required a long walk without weather protection between platforms 3/4 and 1/2. When we travelled to Workington to see her parents it saved a long walk over the bridge from Gloucester Central to Eastgate stations for the onward train to Birmingham New Street. Trains from/to Lydney always seemed to connect well at Berkeley Road station with Bristol-Gloucester Eastgate trains and then at Eastgate with following Bristol-Leeds/Newcastle trains by staying on the same platform.

This was also the preferred route for Lydney-Bristol journeys rather than via Severn Tunnel Junction but again the last train from Berkeley Road to Lydney was as early as 18:13 so restricted the time in Bristol.

For six weeks in the Summer school holidays, there was a through train on Saturdays from Parkend and Whitecroft on the freight only line calling at Lydney Town station about 09:00 direct to Bristol TM and Weston-Super-Mare using the Berkeley Road avoiding curve. It loaded to six coaches, probably the maximum for the platform length on the Forest line, all non-corridor stock and two 0-6-0 pannier tanks. Once on the Gloucester-Bristol line we progressed like a "Bat out of Hell" stopping only at Mangotsfield. It seemed fast at the time but was probably no more than 60mph. The return service was the last train of the day over the bridge following the last service train.

On Winter Sundays when Severn Tunnel was closed for repairs, Cardiff-Bristol trains used this route taking no longer than 25 minutes additional journey time despite 15mph over the bridge. Now of course they have to bus passengers over the Severn Road bridges.

After the accident in November 1960, plans were made to repair the breach costing £320,000 creating a road/rail bridge with traffic lights for road traffic. There were rumours that a replacement span had actually been made at a shipyard in Chepstow but in the end the bridge was totally demolished at a cost of £360,000. The piers were more substantial and took more removing then expected. This seemed illogical that it cost more to demolish than repair.

Ironical that my great grandfather worked on the bridge when being built in 1878/9 and his grandson, not my father, helped demolish it in 1970/1.

This would be my dream reinstatement.
 
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An easy one would be Caerphilly - Newport, giving easier access to North and West services; Paddington; Bristol; Portsmouth and just about anywhere east of the border.
 

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Someone mentioned Blaenau Ffestiniog-Trawsfynydd. The attached may give it a glimmer of a chance.

Yeah, it was me in post 22. I wasn't aware of the plans to reuse the nuclear power station site, it will be interesting to see what happens. Either way, it's good that the trackbed has been kept clear.
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Harrogate - Northallerton
Hereford - Gloucester via Ross
Worcester - Leominster via Bromyard, then complete the line as was planned to Aberystwyth via Kington !

I think the Bromyard route would be better as a heritage line. I haven't been to any of the surviving stations in person, but from what I've seen, they have been restored to a very high standard with tracks and rolling stock.
 

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3) Latchford to Skelton Junction

Although I would love this to happen, there is no chance.
Many bridges have gone and it is now a well used cycle way.
It also goes from nowhere to nowhere and misses all the villages its stations were named after. Add to that the number of level crossings on the route.
 

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When I read of all the capacity problems on the heavily used lines, mentioned on this forum, I cannot beieve that some of the rural backwaters promoted on this thread have a chance in hell of getting priority for investment.

I do see that perhaps one or two may overcome the above prioritisation for both strategic and political reasons. The Okehampton route for Exeter to Plymouth is a strong contender, on both counts.
 

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Well, given my username it would be rude not to....

1. Henbury Loop (current Filton to Avonmouth freight line) highly likely to go ahead as per Bristol Metro scheme
2. Portishead branch (currently open as far as Royal Portbury Docks for freight) - Almost certainly going ahead as above.
3. Thornbury branch (currently open to freight traffic as far as Tytherington Quarry)
4. Sharpness to Lydney (small matter of rebuilding a bridge...)
5. Severn Beach to Pilning link reinstatement (ok unlikely to happen, but I can dream)

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1. Winterbourne, South Gloucestershire
2. St Annes Park, Bristol
3. Badminton, Wiltshire
4. A4 Portway Park and Ride (ECD was supposed to be this year!), Bristol
5. Charfield, Gloucestershire

I like your thinking :D With the currently proposed 2500 houses to be thrown in at Thornbury, we'll need something to get people away from the town - the A38 certainly isn't going to do it :lol:

Its a shame the trackbed from the Westerleigh oil terminal to BTM is now the ring road, as with Lyde Green (Emersons Green 2) being built, it would be a superb route into Bristol that isn't a car - apart from the issues on the trackbed in Fishponds. I guess nothing is insurmountable, but as with most things Bristol, we can talk about it safe in the knowledge that it won't happen (Bristol Tram :roll:)

As for Sharpness-Lydney, that will happen when 'Thornbury Castle' is back in steam :p

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Regarding the Somerset & Dorset.......

Not going to happen, but a case could be made for the 2 ends:

Blandford Forum to Poole via Wimborne

Shepton Mallet to Bath

Also in the similar neck of the woods, opening stations at Somerton, Langport and Wellington

Shepton Mallet to Bath - via Frome is about the only option these days. The two tunnels cycle path is apparently very popular.

Any further south than Shepton would be a headache and a half with the Prestleigh Viaduct gone and many trackbed incursions, but it would be great to see the heritage line make it to Shepton from Midsomer Norton (eventually) as it is a stunning view over the top at Masbury (sadly, I drive around there a lot and would love to have seen it by rail/steam)

Garry
 

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And gradually this thread begins to turn into a list of every single rail line that used to be open once... ;)
 

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Top of my list is Okehampton to Bere Alston
Then
Barnstaple to Bideford
Wye Valley Line to Monmouth
Caernarfon to Bangor
Bootle to Aintree
 

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Only one from me, which I cannot believe has not been mentioned before:

Malvern Wells - Tewkesbury - Ashchurch - Evesham - Bidford-on-Avon - Stratford Old Town - Kineton - Byfield - Towcester - Blisworth* - Northampton Bridge Street - Wellingborough London Road - Oundle - Wansford - Stamford East - Essendine* - Bourne - Sutton Bridge - South Lynn - Melton Constable - Potter Heigham - Caister-on-Sea

* New bridge crossing at WCML & ECML.

A vitally important route for future Malvern to Caister Spring Bank Holiday traffic!
 

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I'm surprised that the Burscough Curves haven't been mentioned yet.

Preston to Southport direct would surely be a winner?

If we must focus on "reopenings" (rather than considering brand new lines or new stations on existing lines or longer trains or focussing resources on tackling existing bottlenecks by four tracking/ grade separation etc) then Preston to Southport looks like exactly the kind of scheme that we should be considering.

It's two places with populations of around 100,000, under twenty miles apart, a corridor that justifies a regular commercial bus service (both “limited stop” and “regular”)... why would it not be high up the list (ahead of reconnecting villages in the middle of nowhere)?

If Alloa and Ebbw Vale are the textbook cases of "successes" (though there were obvious reasons why the benchmark figures were significantly underestimated in both cases) then I'd suggest that a good re-opening is one that:

  • Is relatively short
  • isn’t based around grand ambitions for InterCity services/ direct London services (nice though these are, they are the cherry on top of the cake – it’s a bonus rather than a business case)
  • Washes its face on a daily/ weekly basis (rather than spending hundreds of millions for the sake of a diversionary route when a parallel "Main Line" is closed a couple of weekends a year – the case needs to be stronger than relying on “being a bit useful once in a blue moon” – something like “resilience” sounds lovely but we’re not going to spend hundreds of millions of pounds on something that’ll only really be useful once every few months when there are still sizable conurbations without stations)
  • Links at least one reasonable sized town currently unserved by heavy rail (rather than just villages)
  • Has a regular commercial bus service along that corridor (that shows there are significant enough numbers of people happy to use public transport)

So, in no particular order, I'd suggest something like:

  • Levenmouth - Thornton
  • Preston - Southport
  • Morpeth - Blyth
  • Gateshead - Washington
  • Renfrew - Cardonald

Honourable mentions to Peterhead/Fraserburgh (Aberdeen), Middlewich (Manchester), Portishead (Bristol), Tavistock (Plymouth) and Penicuik (Edinburgh) – all of which are in relatively sized towns, reasonable commuter distance of a city, regular commercial bus services etc. AIUI Portishead is happening regardless (and rightly so). I don’t know enough about the Hanbury Loop to comment but it sounds like the kind of “urban” scheme that I’d normally support.

My list is probably a bit boring, compared to the wilds of Okehampton/ Keswick/ Newcastleton/ Bakewell/ Crainlarach/ Barnoldswick/ Barnard Castle/ Dunford Bridge/ Louth, I admit, but I’d rather that we focussed on practical/ shortish/ everyday schemes in areas of relatively high population density instead of trying to make mass transportation work in predominantly rural areas.

Re-openings, if they are to happen, need to be a simple solution to a simple problem – talk of “wider network” and “resilience” and “bigger picture” are all well and good but if your scheme needs to rely on relatively unquantifiable benefits then it risks being further down the pecking order compared to something with simple tangible benefits.

For example, Alloa *could* have been tied to a some optimistic Blue Sky Thinking scheme (double track electrified line between Stirling and Fife, capable of being a diversionary route from Glasgow to Dundee, engineered to at least 100mph), which would have been more beneficial than the shortish spur built but if the scheme were that complicated and expensive then it’d still be sat on the shelf – better to get something practical built for the benefit of the majority of everyday passengers (and if that means a replacement coach service when the Glasgow – Dundee line is closed north of Stirling then so be it – it’s not worth spending hundreds of millions of pounds more on when there are other projects).

Ebbw Vale could have been part of some convoluted plan to divert freight of the Marches line by a new route from Cardiff towards Hereford/ Shrewsbury that would act as a diversionary route, but it functions perfectly well as a short branch instead.

Midlothian could have had trains many years earlier, had it not been tied to the Borders issues (an Act of Parliament forbidding running trains to Gorebridge until the line was opened all the way to Tweedbank?).

I can see why Stocksbridge looks tempting, as it fits the kind of criteria listed above (self contained re-opening, regular commercial bus service, reasonable enough population in Stocksbridge/ Deepcar), but I don’t think you could build a station within walking distance of enough population (given the gradients in the Upper Don Valley) and it’s further complicated by coming into Sheffield the wrong way to serve Midland station. Nice on paper but I can’t see a practical way of doing it cost-effectively.

If the answer is “put on a feeder bus to take people from their houses to a Stocksbridge station down by the Steelworks where there’s a train every half hour to Nunnery Square where you need to change to a tram for central Sheffield”…

…then that seems to be spending millions of pounds on something that is no better than today’s “Stagecoach run a feeder bus every ten minutes to take people from their houses to Middlewood where they’ll board a Stagecoach tram every ten minutes for central Sheffield, with integrated tickets like a £13 weekly pass” option.

If you can come up with a better solution for Stocksbridge then fair enough, but it looks like heavy rail is going to struggle to penetrate the valley effectively. I’m not knocking anyone for suggesting it, it looks like the kind of problem that has been solved by other re-openings, I’m just saying that I don’t know how heavy rail can solve this particular situation.

(I’m being a good boy, I’m not picking holes in other people’s wishlists, but I’d rather than we tried to tackle twenty first century problems without being encumbered by restricting ourselves to only lines that previously closed)
 

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Only one from me, which I cannot believe has not been mentioned before:

Malvern Wells - Tewkesbury - Ashchurch - Evesham - Bidford-on-Avon - Stratford Old Town - Kineton - Byfield - Towcester - Blisworth* - Northampton Bridge Street - Wellingborough London Road - Oundle - Wansford - Stamford East - Essendine* - Bourne - Sutton Bridge - South Lynn - Melton Constable - Potter Heigham - Caister-on-Sea

* New bridge crossing at WCML & ECML.

A vitally important route for future Malvern to Caister Spring Bank Holiday traffic!

<sniggers> :D

But I'm sure Muddythefish will be along shortly to argue this one is massively viable and in demand.

Popcorn at the ready.
 
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Top of my list is Okehampton to Bere Alston.
This would open a huge chunk of Devon to rail transport.
The North Cornwall railway (Withered Arm) is all but obliterated. Miles returned to farmland, roads, bridges missing etc.
Having a station close to the A30, and connecting an express bus to Launceston, and even Bodmin (+ Bodmin Parkway). Also Bude and Tintagel - Cornwall would see a vast improvement in public transport too.
And bye the way, an alternative route when Dawlish is out of action!
The cost could be vastly reduced by some single track sections.
 

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Top of my list is Okehampton to Bere Alston.
This would open a huge chunk of Devon to rail transport.
The North Cornwall railway (Withered Arm) is all but obliterated. Miles returned to farmland, roads, bridges missing etc.
Having a station close to the A30, and connecting an express bus to Launceston, and even Bodmin (+ Bodmin Parkway). Also Bude and Tintagel - Cornwall would see a vast improvement in public transport too.
And bye the way, an alternative route when Dawlish is out of action!
The cost could be vastly reduced by some single track sections.

I think the best solution for this route is as this:

Exeter to Okehampton - Double track, Mainline 100 MPH Capable
Okehampton - Meldon - Tavistock - Single track, 1 poss 2 Dynamic Loops
Tavistock - Plymouth - Double Track, Mainline 100 MPH Capable.

Whether or not you could get away with having Yeoford - Okehampton with Dynamic Loops I don't know, but if Axminster to Okehampton is to be included in the Devon Metro as planned, it would be good to have that as Double track.
 

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And gradually this thread begins to turn into a list of every single rail line that used to be open once... ;)

I wouldn't agree. No one has mentioned the Glastonbury branch or the Mid Wales line, just to mention a few!
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Only one from me, which I cannot believe has not been mentioned before:

Malvern Wells - Tewkesbury - Ashchurch - Evesham - Bidford-on-Avon - Stratford Old Town - Kineton

That might be quite difficult, seeing as the route of the SMJR through Stratford is now an A road, although the platforms for the old station are still there!

On another note, mentioning Evesham reminds me of another reopening that I'd like to see- the line to Redditch via Broom, which has no chance of reopening, sadly.
 

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Only one from me, which I cannot believe has not been mentioned before:

Malvern Wells - Tewkesbury - Ashchurch - Evesham - Bidford-on-Avon - Stratford Old Town - Kineton - Byfield - Towcester - Blisworth* - Northampton Bridge Street - Wellingborough London Road - Oundle - Wansford - Stamford East - Essendine* - Bourne - Sutton Bridge - South Lynn - Melton Constable - Potter Heigham - Caister-on-Sea

* New bridge crossing at WCML & ECML.

A vitally important route for future Malvern to Caister Spring Bank Holiday traffic!

:D Oh that's good, very good. I once had a look at the old railway map to see how you could cross the country without reversing, if the lines still existed. I think I managed to start at New Radnor and I think I ended up where you did. :D
 

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If we must focus on "reopenings" (rather than considering brand new lines or new stations on existing lines or longer trains or focussing resources on tackling existing bottlenecks by four tracking/ grade separation etc) then Preston to Southport looks like exactly the kind of scheme that we should be considering.

It's two places with populations of around 100,000, under twenty miles apart, a corridor that justifies a regular commercial bus service (both “limited stop” and “regular”)... why would it not be high up the list (ahead of reconnecting villages in the middle of nowhere)?

If Alloa and Ebbw Vale are the textbook cases of "successes" (though there were obvious reasons why the benchmark figures were significantly underestimated in both cases) then I'd suggest that a good re-opening is one that:

  • Is relatively short
  • isn’t based around grand ambitions for InterCity services/ direct London services (nice though these are, they are the cherry on top of the cake – it’s a bonus rather than a business case)
  • Washes its face on a daily/ weekly basis (rather than spending hundreds of millions for the sake of a diversionary route when a parallel "Main Line" is closed a couple of weekends a year – the case needs to be stronger than relying on “being a bit useful once in a blue moon” – something like “resilience” sounds lovely but we’re not going to spend hundreds of millions of pounds on something that’ll only really be useful once every few months when there are still sizable conurbations without stations)
  • Links at least one reasonable sized town currently unserved by heavy rail (rather than just villages)
  • Has a regular commercial bus service along that corridor (that shows there are significant enough numbers of people happy to use public transport)

So, in no particular order, I'd suggest something like:

  • Levenmouth - Thornton
  • Preston - Southport
  • Morpeth - Blyth
  • Gateshead - Washington
  • Renfrew - Cardonald

Honourable mentions to Peterhead/Fraserburgh (Aberdeen), Middlewich (Manchester), Portishead (Bristol), Tavistock (Plymouth) and Penicuik (Edinburgh) – all of which are in relatively sized towns, reasonable commuter distance of a city, regular commercial bus services etc. AIUI Portishead is happening regardless (and rightly so). I don’t know enough about the Hanbury Loop to comment but it sounds like the kind of “urban” scheme that I’d normally support.

My list is probably a bit boring, compared to the wilds of Okehampton/ Keswick/ Newcastleton/ Bakewell/ Crainlarach/ Barnoldswick/ Barnard Castle/ Dunford Bridge/ Louth, I admit, but I’d rather that we focussed on practical/ shortish/ everyday schemes in areas of relatively high population density instead of trying to make mass transportation work in predominantly rural areas.

Re-openings, if they are to happen, need to be a simple solution to a simple problem – talk of “wider network” and “resilience” and “bigger picture” are all well and good but if your scheme needs to rely on relatively unquantifiable benefits then it risks being further down the pecking order compared to something with simple tangible benefits.

For example, Alloa *could* have been tied to a some optimistic Blue Sky Thinking scheme (double track electrified line between Stirling and Fife, capable of being a diversionary route from Glasgow to Dundee, engineered to at least 100mph), which would have been more beneficial than the shortish spur built but if the scheme were that complicated and expensive then it’d still be sat on the shelf – better to get something practical built for the benefit of the majority of everyday passengers (and if that means a replacement coach service when the Glasgow – Dundee line is closed north of Stirling then so be it – it’s not worth spending hundreds of millions of pounds more on when there are other projects).

Ebbw Vale could have been part of some convoluted plan to divert freight of the Marches line by a new route from Cardiff towards Hereford/ Shrewsbury that would act as a diversionary route, but it functions perfectly well as a short branch instead.

Midlothian could have had trains many years earlier, had it not been tied to the Borders issues (an Act of Parliament forbidding running trains to Gorebridge until the line was opened all the way to Tweedbank?).

I can see why Stocksbridge looks tempting, as it fits the kind of criteria listed above (self contained re-opening, regular commercial bus service, reasonable enough population in Stocksbridge/ Deepcar), but I don’t think you could build a station within walking distance of enough population (given the gradients in the Upper Don Valley) and it’s further complicated by coming into Sheffield the wrong way to serve Midland station. Nice on paper but I can’t see a practical way of doing it cost-effectively.

If the answer is “put on a feeder bus to take people from their houses to a Stocksbridge station down by the Steelworks where there’s a train every half hour to Nunnery Square where you need to change to a tram for central Sheffield”…

…then that seems to be spending millions of pounds on something that is no better than today’s “Stagecoach run a feeder bus every ten minutes to take people from their houses to Middlewood where they’ll board a Stagecoach tram every ten minutes for central Sheffield, with integrated tickets like a £13 weekly pass” option.

If you can come up with a better solution for Stocksbridge then fair enough, but it looks like heavy rail is going to struggle to penetrate the valley effectively. I’m not knocking anyone for suggesting it, it looks like the kind of problem that has been solved by other re-openings, I’m just saying that I don’t know how heavy rail can solve this particular situation.

(I’m being a good boy, I’m not picking holes in other people’s wishlists, but I’d rather than we tried to tackle twenty first century problems without being encumbered by restricting ourselves to only lines that previously closed)

That's a good point. I think that new lines might work better in another thread, which I'll probably start after this one. :smile:

As for Stocksbridge, the track from Sheffield to Deepcar is still in situ, so I reckon it could be one of the few lines where tram-train is actually a possibility.

I like your list! However, I'd probably replace the Burscough curve with one of the other lines you suggested, like Penicuik or Middlewich. I don't think that Burscough counts that much as a reopening - I'm not denying the big importance of chords such as Ordsall, Todmorden, Burscough and Almond, but I was thinking more about new communities being served. However, I agree that the Burscough link is vital to take tons of cars off the road between Southport and Preston.

Nice that you've mentioned Renfrew, I think that's an important one too.
 

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If we must focus on "reopenings" (rather than considering brand new lines or new stations on existing lines or longer trains or focussing resources on tackling existing bottlenecks by four tracking/ grade separation etc) then Preston to Southport looks like exactly the kind of scheme that we should be considering.

It's two places with populations of around 100,000, under twenty miles apart, a corridor that justifies a regular commercial bus service (both “limited stop” and “regular”)... why would it not be high up the list (ahead of reconnecting villages in the middle of nowhere)?


I can see why Stocksbridge looks tempting, as it fits the kind of criteria listed above (self contained re-opening, regular commercial bus service, reasonable enough population in Stocksbridge/ Deepcar), but I don’t think you could build a station within walking distance of enough population (given the gradients in the Upper Don Valley) and it’s further complicated by coming into Sheffield the wrong way to serve Midland station. Nice on paper but I can’t see a practical way of doing it cost-effectively.


If you can come up with a better solution for Stocksbridge then fair enough, but it looks like heavy rail is going to struggle to penetrate the valley effectively. I’m not knocking anyone for suggesting it, it looks like the kind of problem that has been solved by other re-openings, I’m just saying that I don’t know how heavy rail can solve this particular situation.
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On the basis that the vast majority of Stocksbridge passengers would probably be for Sheffield city centre, they could just reopen Sheffield Victoria as a small single platform station, and not bother about running to Sheffield Midland
 

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One for the Crayonists...

...Waterloo to Waterloo East.

(before I get shot down, I'm not seriously suggesting it)
 

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If we must focus on "reopenings" (rather than considering brand new lines or new stations on existing lines or longer trains or focussing resources on tackling existing bottlenecks by four tracking/ grade separation etc) then Preston to Southport looks like exactly the kind of scheme that we should be considering.

It's two places with populations of around 100,000, under twenty miles apart, a corridor that justifies a regular commercial bus service (both “limited stop” and “regular”)... why would it not be high up the list (ahead of reconnecting villages in the middle of nowhere)?

Whilst I would love to see the Preston - Southport line reopened, unfortunately this will never happen, as i stated in a previous post, too much house building, road construction, bridge demolition etc has taken place. Whilst there could be an economic argument for reinstatement, there is no practical route available anymore to provide anything like a direct service, the only option available to connect the two would be via the Burscough curves.
 

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Whilst I would love to see the Preston - Southport line reopened, unfortunately this will never happen, as i stated in a previous post, too much house building, road construction, bridge demolition etc has taken place. Whilst there could be an economic argument for reinstatement, there is no practical route available anymore to provide anything like a direct service, the only option available to connect the two would be via the Burscough curves.

And with Lancashire County Council focused on Skelmersdale, there's no chance of the Curves being reinstated in the medium or long term.
 
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