NC64 coaching set.

[83G/84D]

Reports on another forum that this set is heading to Laira for refurbishment then off to Trans Pennine. Anyone in a position to confirm or deny this?

 

[TheEdge]

It is heading to Laira and it is going to TPE after that. The move to Laira was meant to have happened ages ago, officially this is due to a lack of DRS drivers but NC64 itself continues to languish ooutside of and occupy a road at Crown Point.

 

[bnsf734]

Is NC64 the Pretendilino set?

 

[Bletchleyite]

Yes it is indeed.

 

[dk1]

Previously known as WB64.

 

[TheEdge]

Also there is an AGA RFM sat with it that is, according to the rumour mill going for scrap? Anyone heard anything about that?

 

[43096]

Also there is an AGA RFM sat with it that is, according to the rumour mill going for scrap? Anyone heard anything about that?

10229, I presume? Not going for scrap. There is a reason why it is stabled with NC64...

 

[83G/84D]

It is heading to Laira and it is going to TPE after that. The move to Laira was meant to have happened ages ago, officially this is due to a lack of DRS drivers but NC64 itself continues to languish ooutside of and occupy a road at Crown Point.

Thank you.

 

[CosherB]

Also there is an AGA RFM sat with it that is, according to the rumour mill going for scrap? Anyone heard anything about that?

Scrap? I was hoping it would end up in TPE set #2, so both rakes would have 4 x TSOs and 1 x RFM (so the 3 x FOs are converted to TSOs).

 

[SprinterMan]

Scrap? I was hoping it would end up in TPE set #2, so both rakes would have 4 x TSOs and 1 x RFM (so the 3 x FOs are converted to TSOs).

This is indeed what is happening, 10229 is not going for scrap.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Does that mean TPE will be operating these sets with proper buffet cars? Or will the buffet be out of use?

What brake vehicles will be used?

 

[SprinterMan]

Does that mean TPE will be operating these sets with proper buffet cars? Or will the buffet be out of use?

What brake vehicles will be used?

As far as I know (i.e. don't treat this as gospel) the buffet area will be used as a guard's office and possible refilling area for the trolley, not to provide actual buffet service. No brake vehicle is needed as the trains will be top and tailed with 68s.

Adam

 

[dk1]

As far as I know (i.e. don't treat this as gospel) the buffet area will be used as a guard's office and possible refilling area for the trolley, not to provide actual buffet service. No brake vehicle is needed as the trains will be top and tailed with 68s.

Adam

Are you sure that is permitted? Top & tail always had required a brake vehicle.

 

[1179_Clee2]

As far as I know (i.e. don't treat this as gospel) the buffet area will be used as a guard's office and possible refilling area for the trolley, not to provide actual buffet service. No brake vehicle is needed as the trains will be top and tailed with 68s.

Adam

You cannot do this sort of mod at Laira.
Remember GWR sent its HST buffet cars away to be converted.
I disagree about brake vehicles as BOTH Anglia short sets have brake vehicles and BOTH sets are top and tailed. If Trans Pennine don't need them why do Anglia.

 

[hst43009]

You cannot do this sort of mod at Laira.
Remember GWR sent its HST buffet cars away to be converted.
I disagree about brake vehicles as BOTH Anglia short sets have brake vehicles and BOTH sets are top and tailed. If Trans Pennine don't need them why do Anglia.

What sort of mod? Not sure the scope of works suggested for Laira was mentioned?

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[chubs]

10229, I presume? Not going for scrap. There is a reason why it is stabled with NC64...

If it goes away with the Pretendolino will all the AGA sets have a buffet? Would be a shame if it left one rake without.

 

[87015]

I disagree about brake vehicles as BOTH Anglia short sets have brake vehicles and BOTH sets are top and tailed. If Trans Pennine don't need them why do Anglia.

Mk3s don't need one - see Wrexham before were DVTs were ready.

 

[dk1]

Mk3s don't need one - see Wrexham before were DVTs were ready.

Just looked that up & you are correct good sir. Is that due to the types of locos used 67/68 as we had to use a DVT on Anglia with MK3s? I never knew it was possible.

 

[alexl92]

Mk3s don't need one - see Wrexham before were DVTs were ready.

Just looked that up & you are correct good sir. Is that due to the types of locos used 67/68 as we had to use a DVT on Anglia with MK3s? I never knew it was possible.

I understood the reason for the DVT being included in the short sets even though they were T&T'd was to provide accommodation for the guard. However I think there was a MK3 coach classified as a TGS, which I thought meant Trailer Guard Second/Standard - so maybe there are a couple of those that can be used?

 

[Bletchleyite]

I understood the reason for the DVT being included in the short sets even though they were T&T'd was to provide accommodation for the guard. However I think there was a MK3 coach classified as a TGS, which I thought meant Trailer Guard Second/Standard - so maybe there are a couple of those that can be used?

I thought GWR had all of those in their sleeper rakes.

I suppose having a brake vehicle is quite a UK thing. European practice is that coaches all have a handbrake (the wheel is visible near the doors at one end) and the guard just wanders round or occupies a designated bay of seats/compartment.

 

[43096]

I think there's several points/misconceptions in the last few posts:
- all GA sets will have a buffet. 10229 was effectively acting as a spare whilst the buffet conversion project was ongoing.
- TGS vehicles are HST vehicles, so not related to this discussion.
- GWR have the three LHCS Mark 3b BFOs, which are brake vehicles.
- a brake vehicle is still required for Mark 3 sets (see GWR sleepers). The reason TPE (and WSMR before) don't need them is because the sets are to be top'n'tailed by two locos. Therefore there is always as least one loco attached to the set, with the loco acting as the brake vehicle.

 

[dk1]

Maybe WSMR staff where more accepting as using the catering area as guard accommodation than a standard TOC. I take it too cycles etc where not accommodated as readily on this open access operator.

 

[fgwrich]

I think there's several points/misconceptions in the last few posts:
- all GA sets will have a buffet. 10229 was effectively acting as a spare whilst the buffet conversion project was ongoing.
- TGS vehicles are HST vehicles, so not related to this discussion.
- GWR have the three LHCS Mark 3b BFOs, which are brake vehicles.
- a brake vehicle is still required for Mark 3 sets (see GWR sleepers). The reason TPE (and WSMR before) don't need them is because the sets are to be top'n'tailed by two locos. Therefore there is always as least one loco attached to the set, with the loco acting as the brake vehicle.

Indeed so. One question I have though although it's possibly more for the GW Thread - Is 10229 Going to Laira to be converted for TPE or is it set to stay with GWR? GWR are set to receive one RFM to replace another which is suffering from corrosion.

You cannot do this sort of mod at Laira.
Remember GWR sent its HST buffet cars away to be converted.
I disagree about brake vehicles as BOTH Anglia short sets have brake vehicles and BOTH sets are top and tailed. If Trans Pennine don't need them why do Anglia.

Not quite correct as the Mini Buffet's were converted in Laira. The majority of the buffet vehicles in the FGW Fleet were however overhauled and refurbished by Bombardier at Ilford during the main refurbishment program of 2006-2009.

 

[43096]

Indeed so. One question I have though although it's possibly more for the GW Thread - Is 10229 Going to Laira to be converted for TPE or is it set to stay with GWR? GWR are set to receive one RFM to replace another which is suffering from corrosion.

It's for TPE.

 

[Blindtraveler]

I wonder what sort of spec the TPE refurb (refresh)?? Will be? Just seat covers, carpets and stickers is my guess

 

[395 Olympic Javelin]

Are they at Laira now and when are they going back?

 

[Townsend Hook]

Maybe WSMR staff where more accepting as using the catering area as guard accommodation than a standard TOC. I take it too cycles etc where not accommodated as readily on this open access operator.

Top-and-tailing was only a short-term fix until the DVTs had been modified to work with class 67s.

 

[221129]

Are they at Laira now and when are they going back?

Not yet no.

 

[43096]

I wonder what sort of spec the TPE refurb (refresh)?? Will be? Just seat covers, carpets and stickers is my guess

That is what I would expect; although the three FOs in NC64 will need converting to TSO.

 

[alexl92]

So why are TPE's rakes going to be T&T rather than using DVTs? Apologies if it's been explained before but I think I missed that bit!