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Network Rail Class 950 to be disposed

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It has done..... photographed it earlier this year
It does the freight-only line to Cwmbargoed, Ninian Park-Radyr and a couple of odd bits. The main bulk of the Valleys work is covered by class 37-hauled PLPR trains, all now done by Network Rail under contract to TfW since they were transferred ownership of the Valley Lines.
 
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It does the freight-only line to Cwmbargoed, Ninian Park-Radyr and a couple of odd bits. The main bulk of the Valleys work is covered by class 37-hauled PLPR trains, all now done by Network Rail under contract to TfW since they were transferred ownership of the Valley Lines.
Aye, I regularly photograph the tractors and have done for years.

Had 950001 at Pontypridd a few months ago
 

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Never seen a 153 on Hazel Grove to Buxton, but have seen the 950. Test trains with T&T 37 do cover the line, however.
 

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Are standard 153s still generally barred from third rail areas?
They never were, they ran to and from Southampton for years. They were however barred any further east than Southampton towards Portsmouth, owing to possible “interface” isuses between platform edges and the bogie steps on the “new” cab end as I understand. As with some of the others areas from which they were banned, one did sneak through once and had to be trailored home I believe!

NR stable one of their modified track monitoring 153s at Eastleigh, so that also runs over DC routinely, although of course it may have received further modifications as part of its upgrade work of course.

Picture of a 153 at Southampton Central from Flickr:

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Although the 153 has been as far as Lewes, it hasn't come to Newhaven or seaford, despite there being numerous junctions on the branch. The 150 did go to Newhaven a long long time ago. Yet all the 153s seem to stop shot of the seaford branch or Eastbourne...
 

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West of Wigan Wallgate??
Wigan Wallgate platforms themselves are the problem. When the 155's (as was then) were going to Steamport at Southport for door modifications in their early days (1987/8?) they had to be routed via the through non-platform loops at Wigan Wallgate both ways - these loops no longer are there so they can't go through the platform roads. There used to be diagrams on the Wigan-Leeds Northern services, if formed of a 2 car + 153 they went into Wigan NW.
 

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Considering the 150's of the oldest sprinters on the network, being over 30 years old, both Northern and Transport of Wales will be in the process of withdrawing their units from service.
The Northern 150's are having C6 overhauls done at Wolverton so I'd expect them to be around for a few years yet (my bold)
 

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153s worked the Cumbrian Coast in the past
Yes, back in mid nineties 1995 to early 2002 etc , ie Regional Railways Norh West, North West Trains and First North Western days on the Lancaster to Carlisle via Barrrow, services, class 153 was quite common either singular or in pairs on the Cumbrian with 142 pacers as well,
Plus the odd 156 in Strathclyde orange as far as Whitehaven. However those good days have long since gone.
 

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Presumably if 2x153 are to be coupled pemanently, modifications could be made to help with gauge issues, such as removing the extra steps that were added in the conversion but are out of guage for some locations?
 

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They had to modify the WHL to accommodate the 153 explorer units. I wonder whether the other Scottish 156 routes (Stranraer and dumfries) will need attention,?
Out of interest (and a bit of a tangent): Any idea what the modifications were? Presumably it was to provide clearance for the plug doors and steps.
158s (also plug doors, but even greater swing) are not cleared at all on the Ayrshire coast and only ECS on G&SW via Dumfries.
 

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153s being banned from places seems to be along the same lines as the 142s, in most cases it seems to be a paperwork issue. One poster mentioned that at 153 went up the Welsh valleys fine but then couldn't come back?!

I have heard about the "small end" steps mentioned a few times.

In regards to 150s on the Cumbrian coast it's Mayport tunnel clearance and drop light windows but then this doesn't seem to be a problem for all the loco hauled stock that goes up there?
 

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153s being banned from places seems to be along the same lines as the 142s, in most cases it seems to be a paperwork issue. One poster mentioned that at 153 went up the Welsh valleys fine but then couldn't come back?!

I have heard about the "small end" steps mentioned a few times.

In regards to 150s on the Cumbrian coast it's Mayport tunnel clearance and drop light windows but then this doesn't seem to be a problem for all the loco hauled stock that goes up there?
Yeah, it was a 150 + 153 combo that went up to Treherbert. 153s aren’t allowed North of Radyr and obviously had a few minor modifications before it finally and slowly made it’s way back to Canton, stopping at each station to check the gauge.
 

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Gauging includes allowance for the lateral and sway movements of the train as a travels along, which are essentially random within certain limits, and for the track to shift a certain amount over time. So it's quite possible for a train that's officially out of gauge to pass through unscathed, particularly if running slowly as that reduces its tendency to move around. But if done many times at normal speeds it will hit something sooner or later.
 

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Gauging includes allowance for the lateral and sway movements of the train as a travels along, which are essentially random within certain limits, and for the track to shift a certain amount over time. So it's quite possible for a train that's officially out of gauge to pass through unscathed, particularly if running slowly as that reduces its tendency to move around. But if done many times at normal speeds it will hit something sooner or later.
Also worth pointing out that 'not cleared' in the Sectional Appendix is not the same as 'out of gauge'. There are many reasons why it may be preferable to get temporary clearance than to get something listed in the Sectional Appendix.
 

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Presumably if 2x153 are to be coupled pemanently, modifications could be made to help with gauge issues, such as removing the extra steps that were added in the conversion but are out of guage for some locations?
I believe in terms of Gunnislake though it is to do with the tightness of the curve at Calstock causing corridor / coupling issues.
 

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Out of interest (and a bit of a tangent): Any idea what the modifications were? Presumably it was to provide clearance for the plug doors and steps.
158s (also plug doors, but even greater swing) are not cleared at all on the Ayrshire coast and only ECS on G&SW via Dumfries.
I suspect this is what the mods were primarily related to (if needed, were these mods carried over to Dumbarton Central & Dalmuir I wonder). If 158s were to hypothetcially take over the WHL (or indeed the G&SW) in the medium term prior to new-build stock arriving, how extensive would the mods have to be to accomadate them?
 

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In regards to 150s on the Cumbrian coast it's Mayport tunnel clearance and drop light windows but then this doesn't seem to be a problem for all the loco hauled stock that goes up there?
Coaches have to have bars on the drop lights to prevent heads out of the windows.
 

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They never were, they ran to and from Southampton for years. They were however barred any further east than Southampton towards Portsmouth, owing to possible “interface” isuses between platform edges and the bogie steps on the “new” cab end as I understand. As with some of the others areas from which they were banned, one did sneak through once and had to be trailored home I believe!

NR stable one of their modified track monitoring 153s at Eastleigh, so that also runs over DC routinely, although of course it may have received further modifications as part of its upgrade work of course.

Picture of a 153 at Southampton Central from Flickr:

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I’ve literally been on a First Great Western one that was running there!
 

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Just spotted this at NCL heading towards Edinburgh - is this it's final run?

Having a look at the next couple days, it appears to do a few round trips around Slateford and Falkland S.S. before ending back at Slateford on the 4th. After that no further '2Q' paths appear for at least 2 weeks! So presume it's done then?
 

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Having a look at the next couple days, it appears to do a few round trips around Slateford and Falkland S.S. before ending back at Slateford on the 4th. After that no further '2Q' paths appear for at least 2 weeks! So presume it's done then?
it’s expected to do a few more runs in Scotland (not pathed yet) and then to Plymouth next week
 

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Morning

Does anyone know the workings for 950001 in Scotland today if possible please?

Thank you
 

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950001 has returned to Derby this afternoon. Does anyone know if this is the end or has it got any more workings?
Thanks
 

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It has many more movements planned including a trip to Plymouth, Penzance and Barnstaple over the next few days. Then a trip to Norwich and Sheringham.

950001 will only be disposed of once its replacements 153384 and 153379 are ready for use, these are both at Derby being attended to.
 
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