Next Prime Minister

[AlterEgo]

All of that matches up with what I'd heard - but which goal did she score - the third or the fourth?

The third goal wasn't a goal, so probably that one!

 

[Gutfright]

Was unlucky enough to catch the whole of Ledstrom's speech this morning read wholly from a script. No questions from the press, or public.

She needs thorough scrutiny; and also whoever becomes our PM should call an immediate General Election - which is exactly what the Tories wanted when Brown succeeded Blair.

Hypocrites in politics? Perish the thought.

A General Election could be disastrous for Britain right now.

If Labour don't come out with a strong guarantee that they would respect democracy and sign Article 50 if they were elected, they could get wiped out oop North. Britain would in effect become a one-party state, a Tory kleptocracy run to benefit only the very wealthiest at the expense of everybody else.

 

[TheKnightWho]

A General Election could be disastrous for Britain right now.

If Labour don't come out with a strong guarantee that they would respect democracy and sign Article 50 if they were elected, they could get wiped out oop North. Britain would in effect become a one-party state, a Tory kleptocracy run to benefit only the very wealthiest at the expense of everybody else.

That is what we have, and it's what we will continue to have precisely because we have left the EU. It's only going to get worse, with May wanting to get rid of the ECHR and Leadsom wanting worse.

 

[Groningen]

When i introduced myself on this forum i said that i was mainly here for railway on the mainland. But this farce, this backstabbing by left and right. Exciting times; there was Yes; Minister loved by Thatcher, but this soap is the real thing. And of course i do not know who the next PM is (or will be)!

 

[Gutfright]

That is what we have, and it's what we will continue to have precisely because we have left the EU. It's only going to get worse, with May wanting to get rid of the ECHR and Leadsom wanting worse.

There are umpteen threads on this forum dedicated to the EU, but I will point out that there are nineteen countries signed up to the ECHR who are not members of the EU.

The point I was making is that a snap General Election at this point in time would likely lead to disaster for the country, especially if Labour did not guarantee they would respect democracy, as it would effectively give the Tories two extra years in power.

 

[TheKnightWho]

There are umpteen threads on this forum dedicated to the EU, but I will point out that there are nineteen countries signed up to the ECHR who are not members of the EU.

The point I was making is that a snap General Election at this point in time would likely lead to disaster for the country, especially if Labour did not guarantee they would respect democracy, as it would effectively give the Tories two extra years in power.

Well I'd be less worried if the favourite for Prime Minister hadn't repeatedly stated that she wanted us to leave the ECHR.

And given the current debate over the next Prime Minister is directly related to the EU, it is not irrelevant here.

 

[northwichcat]

If Labour don't come out with a strong guarantee that they would respect democracy and sign Article 50 if they were elected, they could get wiped out oop North. Britain would in effect become a one-party state, a Tory kleptocracy run to benefit only the very wealthiest at the expense of everybody else.

But then quite a number of the seats the Tories won from the Lib Dems and Labour in 2015 and 2010 are in pro-EU areas so the Conservatives could lose something like 50 of their existing seats due to being the party being responsible for Brexit.

If we respect both democracy and fair play then we need an independent body to provide the following information:
- On average how much money goes to the EU from British tax payers per week
- On average how much do we get back per week
- How much 'saved' money could be diverted to other areas like the NHS
- An estimate of how much revenue we get indirectly as a result of being in the EU
- How many foreign nationals we have in the UK
- How many foreign nationals we need in the UK to do jobs which there are insufficient British people qualified for
- How many British nationals live outside the UK
Possibly other information as well.

Followed by the referendum being run again with a strict condition that both Remain and Leave campaigns cannot use figures which contradict any of the above. Also that if Leave gets over 52.0% Article 50 will be invoked straight away and a new parliament will be elected to start 2 years after Article 50 is invoked and also that if Remain gets over 52.0% that another referendum cannot be held for 10 years.

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Mrs Leadsom has told ITN that Cameron was wrong to allow gay people marry as it's anti-Christian.

 

[me123]

If she cannot keep her own religious beliefs out of the political arena then she should not be PM. Church and state must be kept separate.

 

[TheKnightWho]

If she cannot keep her own religious beliefs out of the political arena then she should not be PM. Church and state must be kept separate.

She's appealing to the regressive Tory membership, and hoping to pick up some UKIP.

 

[Domh245]

If she cannot keep her own religious beliefs out of the political arena then she should not be PM. Church and state must be kept separate.

She is a bit of a nutcase tbh. She supports online censorship (something that is practically impossible), and blamed Baby P's death on "extra-marital sex". Someone who has met her a number of times had this to say about her:

She is exceptionally religious, and in a way that you would normally expect to see in the deep south of the US. Properly anti-gay marriage, anti-abortion in all situations, anti-divorce, you can't have morals without a god, you can't be British and not a Christian, sex outside marriage is a perversion, non-believers will burn in hell, evolution is a lie, any science that goes against the bible is false etc.

At one point she stated that my bachelors dissertation (some very simple genetic modification of plants) is physically impossible because "Only God can create life".

She is easily the most fundamentalist religious person I have ever encountered in real life, as well as one of the most stubbornly closed-minded to boot. That she presumably has a chance of winning the Conservative leadership and therefore becoming PM genuinely makes me fear for the future of things like freedom of religion and secular education.

 

[Harbornite]

What a silly individual.

 

[Gutfright]

We now know one thing about the next PM: She won't be a man.

 

[backontrack]

We now know one thing about the next PM: She won't be a man.

what about Labour?

 

[phoenixcronin]

It's actually very scary that a lunatic like Andrea Loathesom now has a reasonable chance of becoming PM.

 

[Gutfright]

what about Labour?

Not in government, sadly.

 

[Domh245]

what about Labour?

Labour won't be into power before September, at which point either May or Leadsom will become PM

 

[Gutfright]

It's actually very scary that a lunatic like Andrea Loathesom now has a reasonable chance of becoming PM.

Agreed, but her nutty anti-gay views will only really appeal to Muslims and very old people, so hopefully she won't win.

 

[Domh245]

Agreed, but her nutty anti-gay views will only really appeal to Muslims and very old people, so hopefully she won't win.

Considering that it is conservative party members who are voting on this national matter (how very democratic!) I would have thought that the latter would have been a significant demographic.

Going from the results of the MP's votes, if all of Gove's votes went to Leadsom, then May should still take 1.5 times as many votes as her (assuming that party members vote like the MPs)

 

[TheKnightWho]

Considering that it is conservative party members who are voting on this national matter (how very democratic!) I would have thought that the latter would have been a significant demographic.

Going from the results of the MP's votes, if all of Gove's votes went to Leadsom, then May should still take 1.5 times as many votes as her (assuming that party members vote like the MPs)

They won't. Remember Corbyn?

 

[Western Lord]

Labour won't be into power before September, at which point either May or Leadsom will become PM

"Labour won't be in power by September". Or anytime within the next five years. Will people saying the new PM must call an election please realise
that we have a fixed term parliament act and that the PM no longer has the power to call an election. It would require a vote in parliament with a two thirds majority to trigger an election and too many MPs would be afraid of losing their seats to achieve that.

 

[Busaholic]

Won the first part of the bet with my wife: Gove gone. Now for the more contentious second part. I bet that he would NOT lend his backing to Leadballoon, instead either
(a) saying after much soulsearching, blah-blah Theresa is the woman or
(b) saying his backers were mature enough to make their own decision.

If he were to adopt one of those two positions it would, of course, be seen as treason by the arch-Brexiteers like Farage, Duncan Ian Smith (sic) and a final slap in the face to Boris. I do hope I'm right - what fun!

 

[Busaholic]

"Labour won't be in power by September". Or anytime within the next five years. Will people saying the new PM must call an election please realise
that we have a fixed term parliament act and that the PM no longer has the power to call an election. It would require a vote in parliament with a two thirds majority to trigger an election and too many MPs would be afraid of losing their seats to achieve that.

In theory, and I only say that because the time period involved means it may not be practicable, the FTPA could be superseded by another Act effectively abolishing it, and this would only require a majority of one vote and, so long as there were a quorum, most MPs do not even have to vote! This ridiculous act,seeking to tie the hands of future governments just like that deficits nonsense, is part of the monument to Cameron's wanton stupidity which will, of course, be topped by the biggest folly of all, the EU referendum.

 

[GatwickDepress]

May or Leadsom. Can we CTRL+ALT+DEL and restart the country please?

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Only if they abandon their slothful ways and actually go and vote. I want a new badge 'I'm a 48-er' both showing how I voted and the fact that I was born in 1948. It's a calumny to say all 'old people' voted no - 40% didn't.

Both my good lady wife and I are in our 70's and were amongst the staunchest of those 40% who voted "remain". We were both assured of our view, for as soon as the referendum was announced, being the type of people actually prepared to make our own personal researches into matters of concern to us and on my side, consulting with my brokers on possible implications to my varied asset holdings both at home and abroad.

 

[DarloRich]

A bird as PM? worlds gone mad. Women know your limits. This politics lark is no place for a woman. Who will do the cooking and cleaning? What about the Ironing? Not on. Bring back Farage.

 

[Darandio]

A bird as PM? worlds gone mad. Women know your limits. This politics lark is no place for a woman. Who will do the cooking and cleaning? What about the Ironing? Not on. Bring back Farage.

Shouldn't be long before the offended bus arrives...........

 

[DarloRich]

Shouldn't be long before the offended bus arrives...........

there are insufficient women on here

For the avoidance of doubt i am not worried by the next PM being our first women PM. I am more worried abut them being a Tory

 

[Gutfright]

there are insufficient women on here

For the avoidance of doubt i am not worried by the next PM being our first women PM. I am more worried abut them being a Tory

Our first woman PM?

Do you know something about Thatcher the rest of us don't?

 

[Darandio]

there are insufficient women on here

For the avoidance of doubt i am not worried by the next PM being our first women PM. I am more worried abut them being a Tory

Its not the women I was referring to, it was the men who become offended for them......

 

[zuriblue]

Leadsome was on the World at One today and said all the scrutiny of her CV is "ridiculous" and that she never had this problem when she was an astronaut.