Northern Class 195: Construction/Introduction Updates

[507021]

I'll call them Civitys

 

[LOL The Irony]

I'll call them Civitys

I will also, just "Boat" doesn't make sense as a nickname.

 

[Flyingsprinter]

A train is a land boat. Think about it.

 

[LOL The Irony]

A train is a land boat. Think about it.

You'll find it's a Stagecoach on tracks without the Horse, actually.

 

[Frothy]

...a move which is now underway.

I had imagined that the 195s might come in a variant 'Northern Connect' livery, but perhaps that delight still awaits us when the Connect network is launched.

 

[Harbornite]

I'll call them Civitys

Fair enough. Or 195s. None of this boat wibble.

 

[Geeves]

I just realised looking at the specs once this thing gets moving its going to to sound like a modern day 101. Those lovely gear changes!

 

[Grannyjoans]

That 195's is very loud

150's will be bottom of the list when the Pacers & 153's go. What services will Northern use them on ? Can't just say 142 turns because many of these can randomly get a 142, 150, 156 or a mix. Also there are a lot more Pacers than 150's. Don't like driving 150's they are not comfortable, hope I don't get them in future.

 

[samuelmorris]

Any DMU would be if you stood next to it at track level, rather than platform level. It sounds identical to a 172 because it's very similar running gear, so it'll be, from the outside at least, very similar to a 172 in terms of noise level. Inside, hopefully quieter, but certainly no worse.

 

[Rail Blues]

Fair enough. Or 195s. None of this boat wibble.

I hate it when people try and force convoluted nicknames onto rolling stock, it is pretty cringe worthy. Given that rolling stock has a two or three digit class number and a model/family name, shoehorning a tennious nickname on them confirms the prejudices that most people have about rail enthusiasts being nerdish, exclusionary and overgrown schoolboys.

 

[Stonesourscotty]

Look like the Alstom xtrapolis that operates in Melbourne

 

[Chester1]

That 195's is very loud

150's will be bottom of the list when the Pacers & 153's go. What services will Northern use them on ? Can't just say 142 turns because many of these can randomly get a 142, 150, 156 or a mix. Also there are a lot more Pacers than 150's. Don't like driving 150's they are not comfortable, hope I don't get them in future.

Don't forget the cascaded 150s, the eventual completion of Manchester to Preston electrification and 769s. Broadly speaking the 150s will be running the services currently run by pacers. Cascsded 158s and 172s will free up 155s and 156s for stopping services too.

 

[175001]

Course it will sound loud, it's inside a factory.....

 

[61653 HTAFC]

I think we should call them "boats", as the upswept body towards the cab makes them look like one.

Also slightly reminiscent of these:

DB class 641

Not seeing the resemblance myself, the 195 is nowhere near as streamlined as the 641 and is fully high-floor, as well as being 2/3-car rather than 1. Of German units the 195 is closer to the 612 as a comparison, but doesn't really look like either. Also with all due respect Boat is a ridiculous nickname. "Boot" would be a decent nickname for the 641 because I guess it is very vaguely boat-shaped. Most nicknames are a bit silly though, as are most "product" (for want of a better word) names... Aventra, Coradia, both varieties of -star, Desiro... who comes up with this stuff and gets paid for it?

Don't forget the cascaded 150s, the eventual completion of Manchester to Preston electrification and 769s. Broadly speaking the 150s will be running the services currently run by pacers. Cascsded 158s and 172s will free up 155s and 156s for stopping services too.

I get the feeling that with the advent of Connect, the famed Random Unit Generator will no longer be able to be turned up to 11!

 

[Bantamzen]

Course it will sound loud, it's inside a factory.....

I'm glad I wasn't the only person to notice that....

 

[Bletchleyite]

Fair enough. Or 195s. None of this boat wibble.

They do look like boats though.

 

[Bletchleyite]

I just realised looking at the specs once this thing gets moving its going to to sound like a modern day 101. Those lovely gear changes!

The 172s, which have a similar drivetrain, sound more like a modern bus with an epicyclic (automatic) gearbox with "smoothed" gearchanges, rather than the solenoid-changed H-gate type you get on coaches which do sound more "classic".

 

[samuelmorris]

If they were the latter I imagine they'd be not dissimilar to 1st gen DMUs in the sound department, minus the additional exhaust noise...

 

[Bletchleyite]

If they were the latter I imagine they'd be not dissimilar to 1st gen DMUs in the sound department, minus the additional exhaust noise...

They'll sound like a whiney, lazy automatic transmission bus, not a Class 101. Youtube video of a Class 172...

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

They'll sound like a whiney, lazy automatic transmission bus, not a Class 101. Youtube video of a Class 172...

Mmm. Classic turbostar noise!

 

[samuelmorris]

Indeed, well aware - I was referring to the comparison in your post. They aren't going to sound like 101s at all, but if they did have the other transmission type you described, they might have done.

 

[Grannyjoans]

That 172 sounds like a Bus, that is not good

 

[Bungle965]

That 172 sounds like a Bus, that is not good

To be honest I don't really think passengers and especially commuters give two hoots what it sounds like, as long as it runs and provides enough seats and standing room for them to board I imagine they will reasonably happy.
Sam

 

[Grannyjoans]

Yes but it sounds dreary and mundane which adds to the tedious nature of the working day the commuters and rail staff have to endure.

 

[coppercapped]

That 172 sounds like a Bus, that is not good

If it wasn't trying to be amusing then I really don't understand comments like this at all. Questions of performance and efficiency play second fiddle to what it sounds like?

 

[Rail Blues]

Yes but it sounds dreary and mundane which adds to the tedious nature of the working day the commuters and rail staff have to endure.

I can't imagine anyone giving a toss what it sounds like. To most people it sounds like what it is ... a train. What do you want it do, play Ode to Joy as it pulls away?

 

[CosherB]

And there was I thinking this was a good news story about investing in new trains. Silly me.

 

[Bungle965]

I can't imagine anyone giving a toss what it sounds like. To most people it sounds like what it is ... a train. What do you want it do, play Ode to Joy as it pulls away?

Perhaps he is expecting something like this

Sam

 

[Bletchleyite]

Mmm. Classic turbostar noise!

Not really!

 

[xotGD]

When I'm travelling on a DMU, the quieter and smoother it is, the better. Noise and vibration is not a good thing.

The only time I want noise on a DMU is if it has failed and there is a loco on the front. I appreciate that this is an unlikely occurrence with the new stock!