Northern Class 195: Initial Diagrams

[mikemcniven]

Mod Note: Posts #1 - #13 originally in this thread.

The northern 195 schedules for weekdays from 1st July 2019

**UPDATED WITH CORRECTIONS MADE**


195 Diagrams by Mike McNiven, on Flickr

 

[Jamesrob637]

The northern 195 schedules for weekdays from 1st July 2019


Untitled by Mike McNiven, on Flickr

09:29 from Man Airport to Barrow stops in East Didsbury at 09:37 - very convenient for a rover valid after 09:30!

 

[LeylandLen]

09:29 from Man Airport to Barrow stops in East Didsbury at 09:37 - very convenient for a rover valid after 09:30!

As indeed does the 0827 MIA to Windermere , calls Preston 0942 ..arr 1043 so a good hour on a Rover ticket for me !

 

[EE Andy b1]

The northern 195 schedules for weekdays from 1st July 2019


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Circuit 6 and circuit 7 on CLC have the same train times included, so is that a double set, i presume?

 

[EE Andy b1]

It remains to be seen whether they are an upgrade on current stock. Manchester - Barrow / Windermere services are currently 158s. I'm not at all convinced stock with doors at 1/3 and 2/3 are an upgrade.

Might not be an upgrade for Barrow services, but sure will be for the rubbish we usually get on Cheshire lines!

 

[50032]

The northern 195 schedules for weekdays from 1st July 2019


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Slight anomaly with Diagrams 6 & 7: 1H99 and 1F92 goes to / from Wilmslow and not Warrington Central.

 

[darloscott]

Circuit 6 and circuit 7 on CLC have the same train times included, so is that a double set, i presume?

Looks as though it drops one in Liverpool and picks the same one back up later. Note that 1H99 should read Wilmslow not Warrington

 

[Bantamzen]

The northern 195 schedules for weekdays from 1st July 2019


Untitled by Mike McNiven, on Flickr

Oooh, travelling to Warrington next Friday & that 10:50 Airport-Liverpool is looking like a nice connection off Leeds....

Thanks for the info!!

 

[mikemcniven]

Slight anomaly with Diagrams 6 & 7: 1H99 and 1F92 goes to / from Wilmslow and not Warrington Central.

Thats my error when I was typing it out, I'll add a note to the post. Thanks.

 

[EE Andy b1]

Thats my error when I was typing it out, I'll add a note to the post. Thanks.

Good work though and thanks for the info!

 

[Andrew Holland]

The northern 195 schedules for weekdays from 1st July 2019

NOTES: Small error 1H99 and 1F92 goes to / from Wilmslow NOT Warrington


Untitled by Mike McNiven, on Flickr

Nice, thanks for posting this. Do any of these call at Wigan along the way at all?

 

[EE Andy b1]

Nice, thanks for posting this. Do any of these call at Wigan along the way at all?

Yes, some do. Check on National Rail website.

 

[td97]

Manchester Airport - Cumbria:
1C57 is the only service calling at Bolton.
1Y91 doesn't call at but is routed via Bolton.
All others via Golbourne

 

[Boysteve]

Looks as though it drops one in Liverpool and picks the same one back up later. Note that 1H99 should read Wilmslow not Warrington

So could this mean some 6 car peak services on CLC? The MIA-Liverpool services are supposed to be 4-car 156s (ok 2 x 2-car obvs), maybe some offpeak are replaced with 3-car 195 strengthened in the peaks?

 

[LeylandLen]

So a standard 195 is 3 cars, no doubt some of the peak services on post #1will be doubled up to 6 car? The last thing Northern wants is ovrcrowding on the 195s ?

 

[berneyarms]

So a standard 195 is 3 cars, no doubt some of the peak services on post #1will be doubled up to 6 car? The last thing Northern wants is ovrcrowding on the 195s ?

It's pretty obvious that circuits 6 and 7 involve two sets joined together for some of the day, but the rest are I assume single sets, given that only 7 sets are going into service.

 

[snail]

Why does the 1729 Man Airport - Windermere not stop at Lancaster?

 

[Neptune]

So a standard 195 is 3 cars, no doubt some of the peak services on post #1will be doubled up to 6 car? The last thing Northern wants is ovrcrowding on the 195s ?

Could also be 2x2 car sets or a 2 car + 3 car.

 

[Boysteve]

Why does the 1729 Man Airport - Windermere not stop at Lancaster?

Well it's of limited use for Lancaster customers. It sits at Preston for 25 minutes during which time a VT service departs Preston for Lancaster as does the 18:10 Man Airport - Edinburgh, both of which would get you to Lancaster quicker.

 

[Boysteve]

Could also be 2x2 car sets or a 2 car + 3 car.

But replacing a 4 car 156 on the CLC route with a 2 car 195 off peak will not be seen as an improvement by the average customer struggling to find a seat!

 

[palmersears]

I note 1F91, which is the 0709 Piccadilly to Lime Street and my usual morning service, is due to be 195s. Given there only appears to be one set allocated to it on the diagrams above, this means a drop from 2x156 to 1x195/1. What's the reduction in seats as a result?

 

[Bertie the bus]

Why does the 1729 Man Airport - Windermere not stop at Lancaster?

Only 1 of the 4 Windermere services stop at Lancaster and that has a 20 minute layover. They'd get caught by the following xx:53 Virgin departure from Preston if they stopped at Lancaster.

 

[palmersears]

Could also be 2x2 car sets or a 2 car + 3 car.

There are only two 195/0s that have arrived thus far (unless I've missed them being delivered to Edge Hill), so I assume for the time being it'll be 195/1s, the three-car units.

 

[Chester1]

Any idea of Saturday and Sunday services?

 

[EE Andy b1]

Any idea of Saturday and Sunday services?

Would have thought get some reliability Mon-Fri from 195s before moving to weekend diagrams.
As and when more units are introduced then weekend diagrams could be started. I think this is what happened on other TOCs new units.
Just good to eventually get these units in traffic.

 

[Greybeard33]

It's pretty obvious that circuits 6 and 7 involve two sets joined together for some of the day, but the rest are I assume single sets, given that only 7 sets are going into service.

It was previously explained on the Northern timetable changes thread that the reason the 0613 from Liverpool terminates at Wilmslow, bypassing the Airport, is that there is no Airport platform available for a 6-car at that time. In most other hours the (3-car) Liverpool service goes into Airport Platform 3B, on top of a TPE Cleethorpes train (3-car 185) in 3A. The 6-car 1516 from Liverpool manages to get Airport Platform 1 to itself.

 

[L+Y]

In terms of cascading- what units would usually run these diagrams, and what's now "free"?

 

[darloscott]

In terms of cascading- what units would usually run these diagrams, and what's now "free"?

My reckoning it should free up 4x 158 and 4x 156?

 

[CHESHIRECAT]

Granada Reports feature said WiFi not working or maybe was just on the press trip ?

 

[Bovverboy]

Any idea of Saturday and Sunday services?

Would have thought get some reliability Mon-Fri from 195s before moving to weekend diagrams.
As and when more units are introduced then weekend diagrams could be started. I think this is what happened on other TOCs new units.
Just good to eventually get these units in traffic.

I very much doubt that 195s won't be used on Saturdays from 6/7/19. If there was any question about 195s' reliability I'm sure they wouldn't be being scheduled for seven M/F duties from next Monday.