Nottinghamshire & Derbyshire Bus News

[RELL6L]

Total withdrawal of routes 237 and 358 will break key links from Derbyshire. Route 237 runs from Glossop/Hadfield to Stalybridge/Ashton, and was formerly a part of longer multi-operator route 6 that extended to Manchester (Lower Mosley Street). Route 358 runs from Hayfield/New Mills to Marple/Stockport, and was formerly a part of longer North West Road Car Company route 28 that also extended to Manchester (Lower Mosley Street).

Loss of these 2 key routes will adversely impact connectivity between Derbyshire and Greater Manchester, and would be the last stage in Stagecoach Manchester's withdrawal from cross-boundary services. It also marks yet another stage in the disappearance of former North West Road Car Company's trunk routes. I wonder whether these cross-boundary routes don't sit easily within the disastrous new franchising system about to be imposed in Greater Manchester, and might be picked up (at least in part) by a Derbyshire-based operator such as High Peak.

I'm surprised by this, I thought they were both well used routes mainly run by deckers. I used a 237 from Stalybridge to Glossop in about April 2021 in the am peak and it was pretty packed as the buses were coming the other way as well. Is there some politics here - Derbyshire being tested? Or is the 237 going to be covered by extending something else?

The 358 could be run between Marple and Hayfield only hourly with one bus, that ought to be fairly easy for High Peak.
The 237 would be difficult for anyone else to replace, except perhaps First from Oldham, as its at least PVR of 6.

 

[ChrisC]

The 141 bus route in Nottinghamshire, currently operated by Trent Barton, has been saved for at least another year. Trent Barton were to withdraw this route from 4th September. The route is going to be put out to tender so t will be interesting to see who the new operator will be. It will certainly be very welcome news for the people villages like Linby and Papplewick who would have been left with no buses.

The Hucknall Dispatch Newspaper today reports on its website that “The 141 bus service is to be saved for another year”.

'Lifeline' 141 bus service for Hucknall, Linby and Bestwood Village to be saved for another year

A ‘lifeline’ bus service for Hucknall, Linby, Papplewick and Bestwood Village has been saved from the axe for at least 12 months.

www.hucknalldispatch.co.uk

Mod note: Please edit to include a relevant quote from the article you've linked to. Thanks

I hope I’ve done that correctly. It’s the first time that I have ever included a link in one of my posts. Had to think how do it.

 

[83G/84D]

Does anyone know if the "22" registration Scania / E400's are in service with Nottingham City Transport yet? There were several complete one's at Falkirk when I was there back in May.

I think they are allocated fleet numbers in the 5xx series.

 

[43055]

Does anyone know if the "22" registration Scania / E400's are in service with Nottingham City Transport yet? There were several complete one's at Falkirk when I was there back in May.

I think they are allocated fleet numbers in the 5xx series.

They are indeed allocated fleet numbers 525 to 543 for the YN22xxx batch. To me looking at the bus times tracking they are not in use yet?

 

[SSmith2009]

They are indeed allocated fleet numbers 525 to 543 for the YN22xxx batch. To me looking at the bus times tracking they are not in use yet?

Some chassis issues have been found apparently

Arriva are having to send their Midlands 45xx batch of E400mmc for chassis mods one by one

 

[83G/84D]

Some chassis issues have been found apparently

Arriva are having to send their Midlands 45xx batch of E400mmc for chassis mods one by one

Thanks I was wondering what was going on with them.

 

[richhol]

E400MMCs usually used on X17 Barnsley-Sheffield-Chesterfield-Matlock have disappeared from Stagecoach Yorkshire (11118-11125) with older Gold branded buses in use now.
Any ideas what happened there, or the same chassis issues perhaps?

 

[43055]

E400MMCs usually used on X17 Barnsley-Sheffield-Chesterfield-Matlock have disappeared from Stagecoach Yorkshire (11118-11125) with older Gold branded buses in use now.
Any ideas what happened there, or the same chassis issues perhaps?

Possibly gone to Birmingham for the Commonwealth games?

 

[richhol]

Thanks 43055. Looks to be correct by the look of this thread.

 

[M60lad]

Yes they've gone to help out in Birmingham for Commonwealth games with Gold Scania E400s on X17s for now and standard Scania E400s on 50/50a from what I saw last week.

 

[Mugby]

The TrentBarton daily list of cancellations on Facebook usually makes grim reading but today it's truly shocking!

Many of their principal services; Red Arrow, I4, The Mickleover, Threes etc. are almost unusable. The company appears to be collapsing and the management seem powerless to stop it. How much longer can it continue!

 

[station_road]

The TrentBarton daily list of cancellations on Facebook usually makes grim reading but today it's truly shocking!

Many of their principal services; Red Arrow, I4, The Mickleover, Threes etc. are almost unusable. The company appears to be collapsing and the management seem powerless to stop it. How much longer can it continue!

The Mickleover was bad yesterday as well - for most of the morning, only 3 buses an hour instead of 8. At this rate, the reduction to 6 buses an hour from September won't help much

 

[43055]

The TrentBarton daily list of cancellations on Facebook usually makes grim reading but today it's truly shocking!

Many of their principal services; Red Arrow, I4, The Mickleover, Threes etc. are almost unusable. The company appears to be collapsing and the management seem powerless to stop it. How much longer can it continue!

very shocking list today!! Fortunately the few times I have got the bus it has run but over the last few days I have noticed a number of missing journeys on the villager. On Wednesday I did notice two villagers running 10 mins apart (probably due to the previous bus was missing) so when the first got into Derby they ran that bus empty to Burton meaning a 90 min gap in the service!!! God knows what trentbarton has done in the last year but to me all that has happened is some routes have been reduced infrequency and nothing has changed. Sounds very much like Avanti of the bus world...

Meanwhile I don't think I have ever noticed a missing bus on the Arriva routes when going round Derby.

 

[ChrisC]

The TrentBarton daily list of cancellations on Facebook usually makes grim reading but today it's truly shocking!

Many of their principal services; Red Arrow, I4, The Mickleover, Threes etc. are almost unusable. The company appears to be collapsing and the management seem powerless to stop it. How much longer can it continue!

Dreadful again today. This has been going on for months and this week it seems to be worse than ever. Have they dropped their ‘really good bus company’ slogan?

 

[SSmith2009]

UPDATE: 1:20pm Saturday 30th July 2022

We are unable to operate the following services today. This is primarily due to a shortage of bus drivers which is impacting the bus industry up and down the country. We are doing all we can to operate as many services as possible. We apologise for the inconvenience and thank you for your understanding.

the allestree
7.55am Derby-Allestree (blue)
8.13am Allestree-Derby (blue)
8.30am Derby-Allestree (blue)
8.48am Allestree-Derby (blue)
9.08am Derby-Allestree (green)
9.25am Allestree-Derby (green)
9.45am Derby-Allestree (blue)
10.03am Allestree-Derby (blue)
11.15am Derby-Allestree (blue)
11.33am Allestree-Derby (blue)
11.53am Derby-Allestree (green)
12.10pm Allestree-Derby (green)
12.30pm Derby-Allestree (blue)
12.48pm Allestree-Derby (blue)
1.08pm Derby-Allestree (green)
1.25pm Allestree-Derby (green)
2.30pm Derby to Allestree – Blue
2.48pm Allestree to Derby
3.08pm Derby to Allestree – Green
3.25pm Allestree to Derby
3.50pm Derby to Allestree – Blue
4.08pm Allestree to Derby
4.30pm Derby to Allestree – Blue
4.48pm Allestree to Derby

the calverton
6.41am from Nottingham to Calverton 7.45am
7.45am from Calverton to Nottingham 8.16am
8.20am from Nottingham to Calverton 9.06am
9.06am from Calverton to Nottingham 9.40am
9.50am from Nottingham to Calverton 10.36am
10.36am from Calverton to Nottingham 11.10am
11.05am from Nottingham to Calverton 11.51am
11.51am from Calverton to Nottingham 12.25pm
12.35pm from Nottingham to Calverton 1.21pm
1.21pm from Calverton to Nottingham 1.55pm
2.05pm from Nottingham to Calverton 2.51pm
2.51pm from Calverton to Nottingham 3.25pm
3.20pm from Nottingham to Calverton 4.06pm
4.06pm from Calverton to Nottingham 4.40pm
4.35pm from Nottingham to Calverton 5.21pm
5.21pm from Calverton to Nottingham 5.55pm
6.05pm from Nottingham to Calverton 6.51pm
6.51pm from Calverton to Nottingham 7.25pm
7.30pm from Nottingham to Calverton 8.11pm
8.11pm from Calverton to Nottingham 8.39pm

H1
6:51am From Codnor to Derby
7:30am From Derby to Heanor
7:58am From Heanor to Derby
8:30am From Derby to Heanor
8:58am From Heanor to Derby
9:30am From Derby to Heanor
11:13am From Heanor to Derby
11:45am From Derby to Heanor
6:00pm From Langley Mill to Derby
6:35pm From Derby to Heanor
7:03pm From Heanor to Derby
7:35pm From Derby to Heanor
9:33pm From Heanor to Derby
10:05pm From Derby to Heanor

i4
10.21am from Derby to Nottingham 11.23am
11.27am from Nottingham to Derby 12.33pm
11.47am from Nottingham to Derby 12.53pm
1.01pm from Derby to Nottingham 2.03pm
1.41pm from Derby to Nottingham 2.43pm
3.07pm from Nottingham to Derby 4.13pm
3.01pm from Derby to Nottingham 4.03pm
3.47pm from Nottingham to Derby 4.53pm
4.21pm from Derby to Nottingham 5.23pm
4.07pm from Nottingham to Derby 5.13pm
5.21pm from Derby to Nottingham 6.23pm
5.27pm from Nottingham to Derby 6.33pm
6.41pm from Derby to Nottingham 7.39pm
5.01pm from Derby to Nottingham 6.03pm
6.07pm from Nottingham to Derby 7.13pm

indigo
10:21am Long Eaton Green to Nottingham 10:58am
11:03am Nottingham to Derby 12:20pm
12:30pm Derby to Nottingham 1.48pm
1.13pm from Nottingham to Briar Gate 2.06pm
2.06pm from Briar Gate to Nottingham 2.58pm
3.03pm Nottingham to Derby 4.20pm
4.23pm from Nottingham to Derby 5.40pm
4.30pm Derby to Nottingham 5.48pm
5.50pm from Derby to Nottingham 7.08pm
5.53pm Nottingham to Briar Gate 6.46pm
6.46pm Briar Gate to Nottingham 7.38pm
7.13pm from Nottingham to Briar Gate 7.49pm
7.51pm from Briar Gate to Nottingham 8.27pm

the keyworth
8.37am from Nottingham to Keyworth 9.06am
9.06am from Keyworth to Nottingham 9.33am
9.37am from Nottingham to Keyworth 10.08am
10.08am from Keyworth to Nottingham 10.36am
10.37am from Nottingham to Keyworth 11.08am
11.08am from Keyworth to Nottingham 11.36am
11.37am from Nottingham to Keyworth 12.08am
12.08pm from Keyworth to Nottingham 12.36am
12.41pm from Nottingham to Keyworth 1.08pm
1.08pm from Keyworth to Nottingham 1.36pm
1.11pm from Nottingham to Keyworth 1.38pm
1.37pm from Nottingham to Keyworth 2.08pm
2.08pm from Keyworth to Nottingham 2.36pm
1.38pm from Keyworth to Nottingham 2.06pm
2.07pm from Nottingham to Keyworth 2.38pm
2.38pm from Keyworth to Nottingham 3.06pm
2.37pm from Nottingham to Keyworth 3.08pm
3.08pm from Keyworth to Nottingham 3.36pm
3.37pm from Nottingham to Keyworth 4.08pm
4.08pm from Keyworth to Nottingham 4.36pm
4.07pm from Nottingham to Keyworth 4.38pm
4.38pm from Keyworth to Nottingham 5.06pm
4.37pm from Nottingham to Keyworth 5.08pm
5.08pm from Keyworth to Nottingham 5.36pm
5.37pm from Nottingham to Keyworth 6.08pm
6.08pm from Keyworth to Nottingham 6.36pm

mainline
9.20am from Nottingham to Bingham 10.01am
10.05am form Bingham to Nottingham 10.45am
10.50am from Nottingham to Bingham 11.31am
11.35pm from Bingham to Nottingham 12.15pm
12.20pm from Nottingham to Bingham 1.01pm
1.05pm from Bingham to Nottingham 1.45pm
1.50pm from Nottingham to Bingham 2.31pm
2.35pm from Bingham to Nottingham 3.15pm

the mickleover
7.15am Derby-Mickleover (green)
7.36am Mickleover-Derby (green)
7.53am Derby-Mickleover (green)
8.00am Derby-Mickleover (blue)
8.15am Derby-Mickleover (blue)
8.21am Mickleover-Derby (green)
8.25am Mickleover-Derby (blue)
8.40am Mickleover-Derby (blue)
8.53am Derby-Mickleover (green)
9.00am Derby-Mickleover (blue)
9.15am Derby-Mickleover (blue)
9.21am Mickleover-Derby (green)
9.25am Mickleover-Derby (blue)
9.40am Mickleover-Derby (blue)
9.53am Derby-Mickleover (green)
10.15am Derby-Mickleover (blue)
10.21am Mickleover-Derby (green)
10.40am Mickleover-Derby (blue)
10.45am Derby-Mickleover (blue)
10.53am Derby-Mickleover (green)
11.10am Mickleover-Derby (blue)
11.15am Derby-Mickleover (blue)
11.21am Mickleover-Derby (green)
11.40am Mickleover-Derby (blue)
11.45am Derby-Mickleover (blue)
11.08am Derby-Mickleover (green)
11.36am Mickleover-Derby (green)
12.10pm Mickleover-Derby (blue)
1.08pm Derby-Mickleover - Green
1.36pm Mickleover-Derby
1.15pm Derby-Mickleover – Blue
1.40pm Mickleover-Derby
2.08pm Derby-Mickleover - Green
2.36pm Mickleover-Derby
2.15pm Derby-Mickleover – Blue
2.40pm Mickleover-Derby
2.45pm Derby-Mickleover – Blue
3.10pm Mickleover-Derby
3.00pm Derby-Mickleover – Blue
3.25pm Mickleover-Derby
3.08pm Derby-Mickleover - Green
3.36pm Mickleover-Derby
3.15pm Derby-Mickleover – Blue
3.40pm Mickleover-Derby
3.45pm Derby-Mickleover – Blue
4.10pm Mickleover-Derby
4.08pm Derby-Mickleover - Green
4.36pm Mickleover-Derby
4.45pm Derby-Mickleover – Blue
5.10pm Mickleover-Derby
5.00pm Derby-Mickleover – Blue
5.25pm Mickleover-Derby
5.08pm Derby-Mickleover - Green
5.36pm Mickleover-Derby
5.45pm Derby-Mickleover – Blue
6.10pm Mickleover-Derby
6.00pm Derby-Mickleover – Blue
6.25pm Mickleover-Derby
6.45pm Derby-Mickleover – Green
7.13pm Mickleover-Derby
7.00pm Derby-Mickleover – Blue
7.20pm Mickleover-Derby
7.45pm Derby-Mickleover – Blue
8.05pm Mickleover-Derby
8.30pm Derby-Mickleover – Blue
8.50pm Mickleover-Derby

the nines
8.05 Am from Ripley 9.3
9.15 Am from Mansfield 9.3
11.00 Pm From Mansfield 9.1
11.10 Am From Derby 9.3
11.30 Am From Mansfield 9.1
12.45 Pm From Mansfield 9.3
1.20 Pm From Derby 9.1
2.40 Pm from Derby 9.3
3.45 Pm From Mansfield 9.3
4.15 Pm From Mansfield 9.3
5.35 Pm From Derby 9.3
6.05 Pm from Derby 9.3
8.00 Pm From Mansfield 9.1
9.35 Pm From Derby 9.1
11.00 Pm From Mansfield 9.1

rainbow one
5:35am From Heanor to Nottingham
6:35am From Heanor to Nottingham
6:40am From Nottingham to Ripley
7:30am From Nottingham to Ripley
7:55am From Ripley to Langley Mill
8:45am From Heanor to Nottingham
8:45am From Ripley to Langley Mill
9:12am From Nuthall Church to Heanor
9:15am From Heanor to Nottingham
9:42am From Nuthall Church to Heanor
9:45am From Heanor to Nottingham
9:50am From Nottingham to Heanor
10:15am From Heanor to Nottingham
10:20am From Nottingham To Heanor
10:45am From Heanor to Nottingham
10:50am From Nottingham to Heanor
11:15am From Heanor to Nottingham
11:20am From Nottingham to Heanor
11:45am From Heanor to Nottingham
11:50am From Nottingham to Heanor
12:15pm From Heanor to Nottingham
12:20pm From Nottingham to Heanor
12:50pm From Nottingham to Heanor
1:20pm From Nottingham to Heanor
2:15pm From Heanor to Nottingham
3:15pm From Heanor to Nottingham
3:20pm From Nottingham to Heanor
4:15pm From Heanor to Nottingham
4:20pm From Nottingham to Heanor
5:20pm From Nottingham to Heanor
5:20pm From Heanor to Nottingham
6:20pm From Nottingham to Langley Mill
6:48pm From Eastwood to Alfreton
7:50pm From Alfreton to Eastwood

red arrow
9.40am Derby-Nottingham
10.25am Nottingham-Derby
11.10am Derby-Nottingham
11.55am Nottingham-Derby
12.40pm Derby-Nottingham
1.25pm Nottingham-Derby
1.20pm Derby-Nottingham
2.05pm Nottingham-Derby
2:30pm Derby-Nottingham
3:15pm Nottingham-Derby
2.50pm Derby-Nottingham
3.35pm Nottingham-Derby
3.00pm Derby-Nottingham
3.45pm Nottingham-Derby
3.30pm Derby-Nottingham
4.15pm Nottingham-Derby
3.40pm Derby-Nottingham
4.25pm Nottingham-Derby
4:00pm Derby-Nottingham
4:45pm Nottingham-Derby
4.20pm Derby-Nottingham
5.05pm Nottingham-Derby
4.30pm Derby-Nottingham
5.15pm Nottingham-Derby
5.00pm Derby-Nottingham
5.45pm Nottingham-Derby
5.10pm Derby-Nottingham
5.55pm Nottingham-Derby
6.00pm Derby-Nottingham
6.45pm Nottingham-Derby
6.30pm Derby-Nottingham
7.15pm Nottingham-Derby
6.45pm Derby-Nottingham
7.30pm Nottingham-Derby
7.25pm Derby-Nottingham
8.10pm Nottingham-Derby
8.15pm Derby-Nottingham
9.00pm Nottingham-Derby
8.45pm Derby-Nottingham
9.30pm Nottingham-Derby
9.50pm Derby-Nottingham
10.30pm Nottingham-Derby
10.10pm Derby-Nottingham
10.50pm Nottingham-Derby
10.30pm Derby-Nottingham
11.10pm Nottingham-Derby
11.10pm Derby-Nottingham
11.50pm Nottingham-Derby
1.20am Derby-Nottingham
2.00am Nottingham-Derby
2.50am Derby-Nottingham
3.30am Nottingham-Derby

rushcliffe villager
7.30am from Nottingham to Newton 7.56am
7.58am from Newton to Nottingham 8.46am
9.15am from Nottingham to Bingham 10.09am
10.13am from Bingham to Nottingham 11.10am

the sixes
6.1 5.45am Matlock – Derby
6.4 7.10am Derby – Belper
6.X 7.38am Belper – Derby
6.X 9.35am Derby – Belper
6.3 9.35am – Derby to Ripley
6.4 10.15am Belper - Derby
6.3 10.32am - Ripley to Derby
6.1 10.50am Derby – Bakewell
6.1 12.30pm Bakewell - Belper
6.2 1.30pm Belper to Derby
6.2 2.05pm Derby to Ripley
6.2 3.02pm Ripley to Belper
6.2 4.30pm Belper to Derby
6.2 5.05pm Derby to Ripley
6.2 6.02pm Ripley to Derby
6.0 7.05pm Derby to Belper
7.50pm 6.X Derby-Belper
11.05pm 6.X Derby-Belper
11.35pm Belper-Derby

skylink nottingham
7.20am Loughborough to Nottingham 8.55am
8.00am Nottingham to East Midlands Airport 10:02am
10:02am East Midlands Airport to Nottingham 11:15am
2.00pm Nottingham to East Midlands Airport 3.02pm
3.02pm East Midlands Airport to Nottingham 4.15pm
5.40pm Nottingham to Loughborough 7.14pm

skylink express
6.25am from Nottingham to EMA 7.02am
7.05am from EMA to Nottingham 7.40am
7.55am from Nottingham to EMA 8.32am
8.46am from EMA to Nottingham 9.21am
3.55pm from Nottingham to EMA 4.32pm
4.46pm from EMA to Nottingham 5.21pm
5.25pm from Nottingham to EMA 6.02pm
6.16pm from EMA to Nottingham 6.51pm

the swift
8.20am Derby – Uttoxeter
9.45am Uttoxeter – Derby
12.20pm Derby – Uttoxeter
1.45pm Uttoxeter – Derby

the threes
12.55 Pm from Mansfield 3B
2.15 Pm from Nottingham 3B
3.45 Pm from Mansfield 3A
5.25 Pm from Nottingham 3C
11:55 am from Mansfield 3B
1:15 pm from Nottingham 3B

two
9:01am From Cotmanhay to Nottingham
10:00am From Nottingham to Cotmanhay
10:46am From Cotmanhay to Nottingham
11:45am From Nottingham to Cotmanhay
12:31pm From Cotmanhay to Nottingham
1:30pm From Nottingham to Cotmanhay
2:16pm From Cotmanhay to Nottingham
3:15pm From Nottingham to Cotmanhay
4:01pm From Cotmanhay to Nottingham
5:00pm From Nottingham to Cotmanhay
5:46pm From Cotmanhay to Nottingham
6:45pm From Nottingham to Cotmanhay

the villager
9.35am Derby – Burton
10.45am Burton – Derby
10.35am Derby – Burton
11.45am Burton – Derby
12.05pm Derby – Burton
1.15pm Burton – Derby
1.05pm Derby – Burton
2.15pm Burton – Derby
2.05pm Derby – Burton
3.15pm Burton – Derby
4.05pm Derby – Burton
5.15pm Burton – Derby
6.30pm Derby – Burton
7.40pm Burton – Derby

X38
4.40pm – Derby to Burton
5.20pm – Burton to Derby
6.00pm – Derby to Burton
6.40pm – Burton to Derby

90
2:20 pm from Sutton
15:20 pm from Ripley

141
7.18 Am From Newstead abbey gates
8.25 Am From Sutton
10.30 Am from Nottingham
12.25 Pm from Sutton
2.35 Pm From Nottingham
4.35 Pm from Sutton
6.35 Pm from Nottingham
5:25 pm from Sutton
7:30 pm from Nottingham

As soon as we have any updates, we'll let you know on here

Maybe it would be better for them to put a list of what is actually running today.

 

[derbybusdepot]

Maybe it would be better for them to put a list of what is actually running today.

Just been in Derby bus station, rather long queue for the 22:10 red arrow, not a coach but Volvo saloon 712. Looked asthough 21:30 and 21:50 departures did not run.

Also looks asthough no local servicesran in Loughborough this evening, the limited service on the 2, 9,and 12 all cancelled.

 

[liamf656]

Just been in Derby bus station, rather long queue for the 22:10 red arrow, not a coach but Volvo saloon 712. Looked asthough 21:30 and 21:50 departures did not run.

Also looks asthough no local servicesran in Loughborough this evening, the limited service on the 2, 9,and 12 all cancelled.

I have to say though, when they cancelled the Spondon Flyer a few months back it made the Ilkeston Flyers very busy, a lot of them were full and standing especially into Spondon. Since then passenger numbers have dropped quite a bit, and even when IF services are cancelled the subsequent ones are no longer full and standing

 

[STINT47]

I have to say though, when they cancelled the Spondon Flyer a few months back it made the Ilkeston Flyers very busy, a lot of them were full and standing especially into Spondon. Since then passenger numbers have dropped quite a bit, and even when IF services are cancelled the subsequent ones are no longer full and standing

I suspect a lot of people have given up on the service. If I only had Trent Barton as an option to get around I would be looking at getting my own transport or changing jobs.

It's sad to see how a bus company that was leading the industry 30 years ago has fallen to this. Trent Barton used to show up Arriva in Derby but now it's the other way round.

I'm not sure what the answer is as the current pay and package isn't attractingn or retaining drivers. As things get worse I would expect driver morale to drop and more people to leave creating a self fulfilling downward spiral.

Perhaps the traffic commissioner could get involved to force through improvements in the current situation? More likely however that Trent Barton will soon declear that services are unprofitable due to low use and ask the council for a bag of cash to continue operating. Sad times for a once great operator and as ever in our mad bus industry it's the passengers who will ultimately suffer the most.

 

[Andyh82]

I’m guessing Arriva pay more than Trent Barton in Derby then?

It’s funny that across the country from reading all the threads here the higher regard the operator is held by enthusiasts the worse they seem to be effected by the driver shortage. The operators nobody likes are effected less.

 

[ChrisC]

Perhaps the traffic commissioner could get involved to force through improvements in the current situation? More likely however that Trent Barton will soon declear that services are unprofitable due to low use and ask the council for a bag of cash to continue operating. Sad times for a once great operator and as ever in our mad bus industry it's the passengers who will ultimately suffer the most.

Trent Barton are perhaps now in such serious trouble that they are not even in the position to do that. They have declared the 141 service unprofitable due to low use and that they will cease to run the route from 5th September. Nottinghamshire County Council have agreed to fund the route for at least the next 12 months and it is being put out to tender. From what I have read on the NCC website the route will be going to another operator, as Trent Barton will not be bidding for it, as they do not have the resources to continue operating it.

A few years ago I would have seen Stagecoach in Mansfield as the likely bidder for this and other routes as this would have given them more of a foothold south of Mansfield and into Nottingham, but Stagecoach are not what they were. Whoever runs it will need to work hard to build up passenger numbers again as people have given up using it. When an hourly service through villages with no alternative becomes this unreliable people begin to make alternative arrangements and some may not return to the bus.

 

[SSmith2009]

Today's cancellations

the Mickleover seems to be the worst affected today - #takethemick

UPDATE: 9.00am Sunday 31st July 2022

We are unable to operate the following services today. This is primarily due to a shortage of bus drivers which is impacting the bus industry up and down the country. We are doing all we can to operate as many services as possible. We apologise for the inconvenience and thank you for your understanding.

H1
11.33 - Heanor to Derby
12.05 – Derby to Heanor

Indigo
2.08pm from Nottingham to Briar Gate
2.57pm from Briar Gate to Nottingham

Mickleover Green –

09.15am Derby-Mickleover
09.39am Mickleover-Derby
10.15am Derby-Mickleover
10.39am Mickleover-Derby
3.15pm Derby-Mickleover
3.39pm Mickleover-Derby
4.15pm Derby-Mickleover
4.39pm Mickleover-Derby
5.15pm Derby-Mickleover
5.39pm Mickleover-Derby
6pm Derby-Mickleover
6.24pm Mickleover-Derby
7.30pm Derby-Mickleover
7.54pm Mickleover-Derby
8.30pm Derby-Mickleover
8.54pm Mickleover-Derby
9.30pm Derby-Mickleover
9.54pm Mickleover-Derby
10.30pm Derby-Mickleover
10.55pm Mickleover-Derby

Sixes
11.15am 6.1 Belper-Derby
12.05pm 6.1 Derby-Bakewell
2.05pm 6.1 Bakewell-Derby
4.30pm 6.1 Belper-Bakewell
6.05pm 6.1 Bakewell-Derby
8.05pm 6.0 Derby-Belper

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[Qwerty133]

I’m guessing Arriva pay more than Trent Barton in Derby then?

It’s funny that across the country from reading all the threads here the higher regard the operator is held by enthusiasts the worse they seem to be effected by the driver shortage. The operators nobody likes are effected less.

To be honest if Arriva was a well run business they would be cancelling services in Derby. At the current time Arriva midlands is suffering from a severe lack of serviceable vehicles at other depots leading to substantial cancellations whilst at the same time some of these depots have been required to send badly needed buses to Derby to keep a full service operating there.

 

[Robertj21a]

To be honest if Arriva was a well run business they would be cancelling services in Derby. At the current time Arriva midlands is suffering from a severe lack of serviceable vehicles at other depots leading to substantial cancellations whilst at the same time some of these depots have been required to send badly needed buses to Derby to keep a full service operating there.

That will be news to Arriva. Which vehicles have been sent to Derby ?

 

[SSmith2009]

That will be news to Arriva. Which vehicles have been sent to Derby ?

They only had decker 4203 last year from Thurmaston who got 2 vdls in exchange thats it. (related to the September 2021 changes, lower PVR needed at Derby but they needed an extra decker for the 1's so swapped them over)

Heard a few months back that a large number of new E400mmcs and 8 E200mmcs are coming to the 'Midlands' no idea where though.

 

[Robertj21a]

They only had decker 4203 last year from Thurmaston who got 2 vdls in exchange thats it. (related to the September 2021 changes, lower PVR needed at Derby but they needed an extra decker for the 1's so swapped them over)

Heard a few months back that a large number of new E400mmcs and 8 E200mmcs are coming to the 'Midlands' no idea where though.

Thanks, much as I thought. No idea where the previous poster got his information but it was wildly inaccurate.

 

[Andy Pacer]

Heard a few months back that a large number of new E400mmcs and 8 E200mmcs are coming to the 'Midlands' no idea where though.

They are for the Leicester depot.

 

[Qwerty133]

Thanks, much as I thought. No idea where the previous poster got his information but it was wildly inaccurate.

OK, so it appears that not as much as I thought has directly gone to Derby but it is fair to say that Derby isn't playing its fair share in the ongoing shortage of vehicles within the wider Midlands operations. Leicester in particular is currently having major issues with both vehicle and driver availability and it often seems as though when a driver shows up no bus is available and when the bus shows up there is no driver for it to continue in service (and for some reason it is beyond the abilities of local management to get the buses on diagrams that have no allocated driver to instead operate on the diagrams that have a driver but no allocated bus even when the bus and driver happen to be in the same place at the same time).

 

[derbybusdepot]

OK, so it appears that not as much as I thought has directly gone to Derby but it is fair to say that Derby isn't playing its fair share in the ongoing shortage of vehicles within the wider Midlands operations. Leicester in particular is currently having major issues with both vehicle and driver availability and it often seems as though when a driver shows up no bus is available and when the bus shows up there is no driver for it to continue in service (and for some reason it is beyond the abilities of local management to get the buses on diagrams that have no allocated driver to instead operate on the diagrams that have a driver but no allocated bus even when the bus and driver happen to be in the same place at the same time).

This is pretty much what has been happening at Trent.

Maybe Arriva Derby don't have such a bad staffing issue, so can get repairs done quicker. Drivers from Derby have been on Loan to other garages at times.

Believe Thurmaston is getting the new buses.

 

[F Great Eastern]

Quick question, what is the name of the FAINSA seats that NCT have on their Omnidekkas?

Not the FAINSA PUNT high backed seats, but the Urban 90 wannabe with the holes on each side for your hands on the seat in front.

 

[Andy Pacer]

Believe Thurmaston is getting the new buses.

As mentioned up thread!

Maybe Arriva Derby don't have such a bad staffing issue, so can get repairs done quicker. Drivers from Derby have been on Loan to other garages at times.

I think this is the case, they've been loaning to Coalville and Leicester garages recently I understand.