For trentbarton the routes mostly seem to be the ones out of the Nottingham and Sutton depots which so far other than the 141 have not had any cuts to frequencies/services unlike Derby and Langley Mill routes.
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I may be wrong but I think the 142 was only reinstated fairly recently, maybe earlier this year. It's good that it has been reintroduced, as it fills some of the gaps left by Littles service 140, at least on the Alfreton to Crich section (which is basically two-hourly but with some three-hour gaps), albeit that the 142 goes via Birches Lane whereas the 140 goes via Holme Lane/Church Lane, South Wingfield.
Mind you, in some cases there are 140s and 142s within a few minutes of each other. For example there is a 140 at 13.45 from Alfreton rail station, followed by a 142 at 14.05. There is then a 140 at 16.05 from Alfreton rail station, followed by a 142 just 10 minutes later at 16.15.
A bit off the topic of this thread but I will post it here as it did happen in Nottingham! I found it quite amusing.
Last night I went to catch a Trent Barton bus. I won't give time or route. It was about 5 minutes before departure and the bus was standing in the bus station with lights on but doors closed and no driver. There was quite a queue and the departure time arrived but no sign of the driver. Almost 10 minutes later the driver appeared around the back of the bus and opened the doors. As we boarded the lady in front of me said to the driver "I knew it would be you when it was late. It's always you when it's late. You will have been standing behind that wall on your phone again like you do regularly. Well I'm not paying!"
She didn't pay and he never said a word.
Last night I went to catch a Trent Barton bus. I won't give time or route. It was about 5 minutes before departure and the bus was standing in the bus station with lights on but doors closed and no driver. There was quite a queue and the departure time arrived but no sign of the driver. Almost 10 minutes later the driver appeared around the back of the bus and opened the doors. As we boarded the lady in front of me said to the driver "I knew it would be you when it was late. It's always you when it's late. You will have been standing behind that wall on your phone again like you do regularly. Well I'm not paying!"
She didn't pay and he never said a word.
Out of interest while you say this is amusing it seems this service (whichever one it is) has a regular driver on it so I wonder whether he's used to the timings on it and whether this particular run on the service is very generous for time keeping hence why whenever this particular driver is allocated to the duty does what he does and leaves late.
I'm not from the area but I know that my bus home from Manchester can leave up to about 10 late and end up picking its time back up due to the timings on the route.
I'm not from the area but I know that my bus home from Manchester can leave up to about 10 late and end up picking its time back up due to the timings on the route.
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Whether or not the timings on the route are slack, it doesn't excuse the late departure. To be fiddling with your phone while customers are waiting to board is highly unprofessional.
STINT47
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Trentbarton do ask drivers to be on their buses five minutes before departure and this is monitored as part of compliance checks done by staff.
In reality as long as the bus departs on time the five minuet request has some flexibility, if the service only has a few passengers to load then it's not an issue if the driver does not board till just before departure.
What would not be acceptable is to board the bus late or let passengers on late without good cause. Sometimes the drivers need to take a personal needs break or speak to the depot etc and they would not be marked down for this.
If however the driver was repeatedly late loading their bus due to using their phone etc then it would normally be dealt with by having a quick word with said driver to say that it's been observed. If this does not resolve the issue it would then be formally reported to their supervisors to deal with.
In response to the previous poster although some routes have generous recovery time drivers are still expected to leave on time as per the timetable.
In reality as long as the bus departs on time the five minuet request has some flexibility, if the service only has a few passengers to load then it's not an issue if the driver does not board till just before departure.
What would not be acceptable is to board the bus late or let passengers on late without good cause. Sometimes the drivers need to take a personal needs break or speak to the depot etc and they would not be marked down for this.
If however the driver was repeatedly late loading their bus due to using their phone etc then it would normally be dealt with by having a quick word with said driver to say that it's been observed. If this does not resolve the issue it would then be formally reported to their supervisors to deal with.
In response to the previous poster although some routes have generous recovery time drivers are still expected to leave on time as per the timetable.
The classic late departure use to be the South Notts Nottingham- Loughborough service in the days of conductor operation when fully stopping to let off a sole passenger was rare and on picking up little attention was given to whether the new passenger(s) were seated. Invariably also resulted in an early arrival at Loughborough.
A question, why does the V3 service sit outside of the Villager brand?
Also I guess Derby Bus Station isn’t as congested as it once was, with frequency reductions and service withdrawals, so do you think services that don’t use the bus station (such as the Nines, H1) should use the bus station, so passengers for these services aren’t waiting out in the cold
Also I guess Derby Bus Station isn’t as congested as it once was, with frequency reductions and service withdrawals, so do you think services that don’t use the bus station (such as the Nines, H1) should use the bus station, so passengers for these services aren’t waiting out in the cold
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With regard to the bus station, the issue is that these services probably get a 5 minute turnaround in Derby. To work them to the bus station, load and leave again would take longer than 5 minutes, so an extra bus would be needed in the cycle, with all the associated cost/staff.
This is the same reason the i4 and Indigo have not returned to Broadmarsh from Friar Lane in Nottingham.
And I get that bus companies are there to provide a service, and it would be better to use the bus station from a passenger perspective, but costs have to be taken into consideration.
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With regard to the V3 not being part of the Villager brand, when the Villager service started the Villager branded buses covered the V1, V2, V3 and V4 routes. Now only the V1 and V3 routes survive and with the V1 being the more frequent and heavily used service it has retained the Villager brand.
Originally the v3 interworked with the v1 and used the same vehicles. With the withdrawal of the v2 and v4 and increase of the v1 the interworking stopped and the 2 routes operate separately. The rebranding of the v3 came around the time of the villager (former v1) received the Volvo's which are currently on the route. Suppose the solo's that are normally on the route are more suited to the route in terms of passenger numbers and roads as apparently the larger vehicles are not the best for going round Heatherton.
BBC reporting that Derby city council are discussing a possible replacement for the Spondon Flyer and 17/17A services.
Replacement for axed Spondon Flyer to be discussed by Derby City Council
A route connecting Allestree and Darley Abbey has also been proposed.
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cnjb8
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269 now repainted in Mango and back in service at Derby.
Free trial bus route in Belper during December, to continue in the new year if the demand is there. I dont know the route or if the demand is already there but how can you forecast January demand when people have to start paying for something that was previously free, unless it's just aimed at concessionary passes?
www.derbyshire.gov.uk
Derbyshire public transport news and notices - Derbyshire County Council
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Is this funded by the Bus Improvement Plan?Free trial bus route in Belper during December, to continue in the new year if the demand is there. I dont know the route or if the demand is already there but how can you forecast January demand when people have to start paying for something that was previously free, unless it's just aimed at concessionary passes?
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Three off peak round trips, I doubt it will carry any one but ENCTS pass holders, anyone else will walk as the distance is so short!
That makes sense in all fairness
station_road
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It's going to run in what is currently dead time in between the bus operating a 72 (Belper Town Service) which arrives back in Belper at xx.50 and a 71 back to Derby at xx.00 every 2 hours - worth a go if the only cost is the extra fuel for a 9 minute journey, I guess, although the 71 itself serves the same stops. It's a short distance but with some steep hills and an older population.
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I wish Notts and Derby would have a look at improving the 59 too, as it has a near three-hour gap in the afternoon, post 3pm.
it used to be hourly and is quite a popular service. The 71 seems to have a better timetable frequency and seems less busy overall.
it used to be hourly and is quite a popular service. The 71 seems to have a better timetable frequency and seems less busy overall.
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Incident in Nottingham yesterday evening between a Trent Barton single deck and NCT decker as documented here:
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Huge bang heard as two Nottingham buses involved in crash
The collision involved an NCT and Trentbarton bus on Canal Street's junction with Carrington Street was reported at 5.06pm on Thursday, December 8. It has closed part of Canal Street.
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cnjb8
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For wellglade as a whole, three! N&D had one in the summer too
I believe it’s being flattened to make way for housing, but someone can correct me if i’m wrong
812, I believe. The driver and passengers all alighted safely.
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It’s now almost 4 months since Stagecoach took over the running of the 141 bus route in Nottinghamshire from Trent Barton. It has been much better, fairly reliable with most buses actually turning up and there has certainly been a small increase in passenger numbers. I do know a number of people who have been using it more often to make it a success.
Sadly these last couple of weeks things have not been so good with a small number of advertised cancellations and an increasing number of buses just not turning up. Many buses these last few weeks have also been running up to 30 minutes late This morning the hourly service has been almost unusable with 2 consecutive buses not turning up, with no departures from Nottingham at 0930, 1030 and now the 1130 running around 25 minutes late. There are also 2 buses already cancelled this afternoon including the last service of the day. This will only result in passengers stopping using it again as happened with Trent Barton and the service will then not survive beyond next September’s planned review.
Sadly these last couple of weeks things have not been so good with a small number of advertised cancellations and an increasing number of buses just not turning up. Many buses these last few weeks have also been running up to 30 minutes late This morning the hourly service has been almost unusable with 2 consecutive buses not turning up, with no departures from Nottingham at 0930, 1030 and now the 1130 running around 25 minutes late. There are also 2 buses already cancelled this afternoon including the last service of the day. This will only result in passengers stopping using it again as happened with Trent Barton and the service will then not survive beyond next September’s planned review.
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In my opinion all the BSOG (Bus Service Operators Grant) funding should be awarded in a different way, when operators meet certain criteria that provides evidence they are trying to increase patronage.
There are operators (some local) claiming the BSOG money and providing a sub standard service, with many cancellations, which will only reduce patronage not increase it.
There are operators (some local) claiming the BSOG money and providing a sub standard service, with many cancellations, which will only reduce patronage not increase it.
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cnjb8
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But then without BSOG, those services would be withdrawn with no one to take them on, after all every bus company is facing driver shortages and a high fuel bill. Look at what happened in South Yorkshire recently with services being withdrawn because no operator took up the tender
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Arguably that will happen anyway. If a service is unreliable, it will not attract new custom whether fares are £2 or £4. Custom will decrease as even current users will seek alternatives, even if it means walking.
Eventually they need to cut back to what is commercially viable, then funding used to fill the gaps.
Trentbarton have redeployed B8s 778-780 to Sutton for the Threes to help aid the chronic vehicle shortage on that route, following the loss of 812 and other issues with the Versas. The B8s were originally intended for Skylink Express at Notts however they’ll need to hold onto their two Scanias for now
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TrentBarton are making timetable changes from 2 April listed here: TrentBarton changes
Interesting that H1 is going to every 12 minutes and the two is having additional buses. Will more buses be painted in H1, and will 778-780 go back to the twos.
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