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thaitransit

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Whilst researching an upcoming trip to the UK for 2019. I have noticed that no one recommends the onboard train food even when travelling 1st class or on overnight services. Is this true?

Do any train services in the UK offer similar on board food services to what is currently offered on Queensland Rail? Linked to Queensland Rail Menu below:

http://www.queenslandrailtravel.com.au/travelwithus/onboardexperiences/menus

I tend to like a good meal whilst on long distance traine especially if its accross mealtimes or I am going to be arriving late at a remote station with no local shops or they have closed for the day.

What do UK trains typically offer from the buffet or dining cars? Eg sandwiches, cooked breakfasts, roast dinners etc
 
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The Scottish sleepers do some reasonably nice food. I think it's more cook-chill than restaurant standard but it's okay. I think the Penzance sleeper is a bit more limited.

The food on most intercity trains is okay, but it's definitely more in the area of sandwiches and snacks than full meals. If you travel first class on the West or East Coast lines (and seemingly on Cross Country) you'll generally get a small hot meal, and on some trains it may be chef-prepared rather than microwaved. There are a few Great Western trains a day offering proper pullman dining, which is a decent 3-course experience, but comes at the cost of a decent 3-course dinner on land.

Scotrail trains in Scotland are fairly reliable with a half-decent trolley on a lot of the longer distance services doing fairly well-regarded sandwiches and snacks. You're unlikely to get something to fill you up thought

Any other operators and you probably don't want to bank on the food at all. If you're lucky a trolley might show up, but it's hit and miss whether it will have anything on it.

There's nothing wrong with the food per-se, but there aren't very many long journeys and our trains are generally pretty busy.
 

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If you are travelling first class, as you suggest in your other thread, you might as well take advantage of the included food and drink:
Virgin West Coast and East Coast will do you a decent breakfast, and East Coast a reasonable lunch and on some trains a very reasonable dinner - plus drinks - but the menu is much shorter than in Queensland.
Cross country have food included on some trains, but not alcohol.
Great Western have a high reputation for their onboard food, but you pay.
Arriva Wales has a superb dining service (one each way, North Wales to Cardiff and back, so a very long day from Preston - pay for alcohol).
 

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You might find it useful to look at the menus for the West Coast (London - Glasgow so via Preston) and East Coast (London - Edinburgh and will include Doncaster) train companies:

West Coast: https://www.virgintrains.co.uk/experience/first-class/menu
East Coast: https://www.virgintrainseastcoast.com/the-east-coast-experience/first-class/menu/

Essentially, it's a snack. But included with the first class fare, so maybe it's best to see it as a bonus rather than as a core part of what you're paying for.
 

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You might find it useful to look at the menus for the West Coast (London - Glasgow so via Preston) and East Coast (London - Edinburgh and will include Doncaster) train companies:

West Coast: https://www.virgintrains.co.uk/experience/first-class/menu
East Coast: https://www.virgintrainseastcoast.com/the-east-coast-experience/first-class/menu/

Essentially, it's a snack. But included with the first class fare, so maybe it's best to see it as a bonus rather than as a core part of what you're paying for.

I wouldn't call breakfast OR dinner menus a "snack," but it's always worth having a plan B in case the catering goes pear shaped.
 

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I would say the best dining experience would be the Business Class service operated by Arriva Trains Wales, running daily each morning from Holyhead (Anglesey, North Wales) to Cardiff in the South and returning in the evening.

It offers a full breakfast on the morning southbound service and three course meal when returning northbound - unlike Virgin Trains (London to the North) the portions are often said to be substantial and of good quality by members of the forum.

https://www.arrivatrainswales.co.uk/BusinessClass/

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I would say the best dining experience would be the Business Class service operated by Arriva Trains Wales, running daily each morning from Holyhead (Anglesey, North Wales) to Cardiff in the South and returning in the evening.

It offers a full breakfast on the morning southbound service and three course meal when returning northbound - unlike Virgin Trains (London to the North) the portions are often said to be substantial and of good quality by members of the forum.

https://www.arrivatrainswales.co.uk/BusinessClass/

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Thanks for advice. From what I read it seems that trains departure time and day of the week matters as to how good the food service is. Eg it appears that a 7am London to Preston train will have a full cooked breakfast in 1st class on a Tuesday but just a bacon roll on a weekend? But if I took a 10am train there appears to only be basic snacks rather than a full meal service?

I would have thought a full meal service would have been available 1st to last 7 days a week as at some point in the trains trip it will cross a meal time.

Eg If I knew I was getting off the train at 12.30pm Id rather have an early lunch at 11.30am whilst on the train. Rather than stuff around looking for food at the destination. This would be worse if making an onward connection.

I do like the look of the pullman dining service. It appears to only exist on the Cornwell line? It would be great if the Preston line had it too?
 

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Thanks for advice. From what I read it seems that trains departure time and day of the week matters as to how good the food service is. Eg it appears that a 7am London to Preston train will have a full cooked breakfast in 1st class on a Tuesday but just a bacon roll on a weekend? But if I took a 10am train there appears to only be basic snacks rather than a full meal service?

- Yes, that's how it is. As you say, it would be nice if there was a full meal service the whole time, but there isn't.

As with many things, it comes down to trains in Great Britain being rather different to what you are used to. Because we are a small country (example - London to Edinburgh is about the same distance as Melbourne to Canberra) we don't have much in the way of internal air flights. So the main mode of (by our standards) long distance public transport is the train. That in turn means that a long train journey isn't a special treat: it's a utility, and the idea is to get the passenger to their destination as quickly as possible. If the passenger wants an early lunch, the passenger can bring sandwiches.
 

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Thanks for advice. From what I read it seems that trains departure time and day of the week matters as to how good the food service is. Eg it appears that a 7am London to Preston train will have a full cooked breakfast in 1st class on a Tuesday but just a bacon roll on a weekend? But if I took a 10am train there appears to only be basic snacks rather than a full meal service?

I would have thought a full meal service would have been available 1st to last 7 days a week as at some point in the trains trip it will cross a meal time.

Eg If I knew I was getting off the train at 12.30pm Id rather have an early lunch at 11.30am whilst on the train. Rather than stuff around looking for food at the destination. This would be worse if making an onward connection.

I do like the look of the pullman dining service. It appears to only exist on the Cornwell line? It would be great if the Preston line had it too?

The GWR Pullman Dining Restaurant is as you note available on selected high speed services between London Paddington and Devon & Cornwall, it is also available on selected HS services to South Wales from Paddington. It is expensive but it is also arguably the finest dining experience on any UK service train operating today, if it's fine dining you're after you do get what you pay for, check out TripAdvisor.
 

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Thanks for advice. From what I read it seems that trains departure time and day of the week matters as to how good the food service is. Eg it appears that a 7am London to Preston train will have a full cooked breakfast in 1st class on a Tuesday but just a bacon roll on a weekend? But if I took a 10am train there appears to only be basic snacks rather than a full meal service?

I would have thought a full meal service would have been available 1st to last 7 days a week as at some point in the trains trip it will cross a meal time.

Eg If I knew I was getting off the train at 12.30pm Id rather have an early lunch at 11.30am whilst on the train. Rather than stuff around looking for food at the destination. This would be worse if making an onward connection.

I do like the look of the pullman dining service. It appears to only exist on the Cornwell line? It would be great if the Preston line had it too?
Unfortunately, trains running to Cornwall are operated by a different train company (GWR) to trains running to Preston (Virgin), so you can expect different service. Most companies significantly reduce catering on weekends too.

But as I said it does vary between train companies.

If you are travelling out of London Euston on trains towards Manchester, Liverpool, Chester, Holyhead, Shrewsbury, Edinburgh or Glasgow, this will be a Virgin Trains service and their individual first class menu is here:

https://www.virgintrains.co.uk/experience/first-class/menu

If you are travelling out of London King’s Cross on trains towards York, Leeds, Newcastle, Edinburgh, Aberdeen or Inverness this is most likely a Virgin Trains East Coast service and the menu you can expect is here. Although sadly this company isn’t too reliable with offering what is advertised:

https://www.virgintrainseastcoast.com/the-east-coast-experience/first-class/menu/

If you are travelling out of London King’s Cross on trains towards Wakefield Kirkgate, Halifax, Bradford Interchange, Thirsk, Eaglescliffe, Hartlepool and Sunderland, this is likely to be a Grand Central service. Hot and cold drinks, plus biscuits and pretzels are offered complimentary to you, with additional items able to purchase.

If you are travelling on a train out of London King’s Cross to Selby, Brough, Hull or Beverley this is most likely a Hull Trains service.
I cannot find a menu but they offer a limited range of hot snacks such as Chilli Con Carne, Light Salads and Sandwiches. On weekends only sandwiches.

If you are travelling out of London St Pancras towards Corby, Leicester, Loughborough, Derby, Sheffield or Nottingham this is most likely an East Midlands Trains service.

https://www.eastmidlandstrains.co.uk/Documents/Menus/1/EMT All Day Menu Web Friendly.pdf

However, a complimentary breakfast is offered on some early trains.

CrossCountry operate the long distance services that don’t originate or go through London.

Here is the menu! https://www.crosscountrytrains.co.uk/media/2418/firstclass_sandwich_menu_handout_a5.pdf

GWR run from London Paddington to Oxford, Worcester, Bristol, South Wales and Devon/Cornwall.
sandwiches, crisps and cake are offered complimentary but certain trains offer the full Pullman Dining service as you said.


On Greater Anglia (London to Norfolk), Abellio ScotRail (Edinburgh/Glasgow to the Highlands) , TransPennine Express and SWR (London to Portsmouth, Salisbury, Southampton, Weymouth and Bournemouth) you may receive a drink and biscuit on limited services.
 

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Is there a reason for why weekend services offer less food than a similar train time on a weekday? Breakfast is needed on a 7am Monday just as much as 7am Sunday ?

If I use the GWR trains I will definitely take advantage of the pullman dining. A good meal and train ride equals a perfect match.
 

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Is there a reason for why weekend services offer less food than a similar train time on a weekday? Breakfast is needed on a 7am Monday just as much as 7am Sunday ?

Less business travel at weekends.
 

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Is there a reason for why weekend services offer less food than a similar train time on a weekday? Breakfast is needed on a 7am Monday just as much as 7am Sunday ?
Despite there being numerous people who think the Brighton Belle should still run our rail network is simply public transport. It is not aimed at foreign tourists or people out for an enjoyable, relaxing day. You can get some pretty basic food on some trains, and has been mentioned some slightly better food on a very small number of trains, and that is it.

There are, however, trains which do cater for people who want something a bit (or a lot) better. The Northern Belle, the British Pullman, or if you are very flush the Royal Scotsman which is aimed almost exclusively at foreign tourists.
 

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I phoned up - available on all except Turbostars. Turbostars don’t work long distance services. I said Long distance.

And no the first class menu wasn’t the reason I phoned up I’m not that sad!! :lol:
That is incorrect unfortunately.
 
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