Passenger trains calling at Turners Lane Junction?

[miklcct]

There is a train in the timetable data which crashed my program making an assumption that a passenger call should be at a station with CRS (central reservation system) code. The train is the Grand Central service departing 2022-03-26 12:18 from Kings Cross, arriving 14:31 and departing 14:32 in the public timetable.

There are also passenger trains calling at London Road Depot (LRDDEAC), Whitehall Junction (WHRDJN) with public times. Is it really possible for a passenger to take a train and alight at these locations?

 

[Watershed]

There is a train in the timetable data which crashed my program making an assumption that a passenger call should be at a station with CRS (central reservation system) code. The train is the Grand Central service departing 2022-03-26 12:18 from Kings Cross, arriving 14:31 and departing 14:32 in the public timetable.

There are also passenger trains calling at London Road Depot (LRDDEAC), Whitehall Junction (WHRDJN) with public times. Is it really possible for a passenger to take a train and alight at these locations?

No, though I'm sure there are some cranks who would quite like to do so! In all cases except London Road Depot these are caused by a failure to suppress operational calls from the public timetable. This does happen from time to time as there's no warning message to planners that a train schedule contains a public call at a location other than a station.

The London Road Depot situation is down to the way that LU exports data to the Network Rail systems; they plan trains which enter or leave passenger service without changing direction under the same "headcode" throughout. There are a number of issues with the interface here - not least the fact that all of the intermediate calls between Queens Park and Elephant & Castle aren't shown in the data.

But in essence - if a non-station location is shown as a calling point in the data, you should ignore it.

 

[skyhigh]

Is it really possible for a passenger to take a train and alight at these locations?

If you'd ever seen Whitehall Junction you'd know the answer to that!

The timetable data isn't perfect, unfortunately.

 

[30907]

If you'd ever seen Whitehall Junction you'd know the answer to that!

Quite. Though there was a platform on the Whitehall Curve while Leeds was being rebuilt 20+ years ago, so you could have got quite close.
But that's irrelevant

 

[zwk500]

It's a planner mistake caused by the default activity code for passenger train stops being a passenger stop (for obvious reasons). NR timetable planners should knock the code out and replace it with the proper one, but don't always remember.
At the moment the data validation carried out by the system is limited to prevent schedules being rejected by operational systems and causing issues with journey planners and the like. NR are aware its an issue and are looking at ways to fix it, but finding a solution that can justify the cost is not easy because fundamentally this issue doesn't stop trains running on time.

 

[swt_passenger]

There are also passenger trains calling at London Road Depot (LRDDEAC), Whitehall Junction (WHRDJN) with public times. Is it really possible for a passenger to take a train and alight at these locations?

We had a whole thread last summer to explain London Road Depot, I assume you already know the answer to that is “definitely not”:

A train to LRDDEAC / London Road Depot is shown on the timetable?!

A train operating company app shows a train from Harrow & Wealdstone departing at 22:31 has the destination listed as LRDDEAC, and the calling list shows the final station as Queens Park. brtimes.com shows the same train ends at London Road Depot arriving at 00:15, 30 minutes from the...

www.railforums.co.uk

 

[zwk500]

We also had this thread which covered a number of other locations thst have cropped up over the years...

Non existent station on departure board!

Hi Apologies if this has cropped up before but why is SOKEJN consistently listed as a calling point on this service (1548 ex Norwich) at Ely, it also is on the automatic station announcement as a calling point, other than it pausing briefly at Stoke Jc?

www.railforums.co.uk

NR did conduct an exercise quite recently to get rid of a lot of the erroneous passenger stops at junctions and signals, I'm not sure how effective the end result actually was.

 

[185143]

I've been on SR 385s advertising stops at Abbeyhill and Cowlairs junctions before now as well.

 

[DarloRich]

There is a train in the timetable data which crashed my program making an assumption that a passenger call should be at a station with CRS (central reservation system) code. The train is the Grand Central service departing 2022-03-26 12:18 from Kings Cross, arriving 14:31 and departing 14:32 in the public timetable.

There are also passenger trains calling at London Road Depot (LRDDEAC), Whitehall Junction (WHRDJN) with public times. Is it really possible for a passenger to take a train and alight at these locations?

While I am no expert on timetables or data or such like it is very clearly a data error. Ask yourself how is a passenger going to climb down form a train and leave the railway at such a location.