Peak restrictions (coronavirus)

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Given the complete collapse in demand, will we see a relaxation / removal of peak restrictions across the network with the new reduced timetable?
 
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How a TOC can justify charging more for a train which is slightly less empty than any other train, I'm not entirely sure. All the peak time trains I've worked have been very quiet.
 

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Given the complete collapse in demand, will we see a relaxation / removal of peak restrictions across the network with the new reduced timetable?
I very much doubt it. The government advice is to avoid all but essential travel. Relaxing peak restrictions would run the risk of encouraging non-essential travel.
 

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I think this will be much more about bus use.
The Metro website doesn't specifically refer to buses, and passholders get half fare on offpeak trains. Be interesting to know (not that I will be using trains for now....:()
From 20 March until 17 April, West Yorkshire Combined Authority is introducing greater flexibility on concessionary travel passes so they can be used all day, helping older people and those with disabilities to access shops and supermarkets earlier in the day.
 

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Regarding rail there is an argument that all non-Anytime fares should actually be withdrawn, as the high cost of travel will dissuade it.
Can see your point but don't agree, as it would penalise key workers on later shifts by making them pay more than normal.
 
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With restrictions on the use of concessionary bus passes lifted in many areas, should railcard restrictions be eased? Perhaps a standard after 9 am for all cards?
 

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With restrictions on the use of concessionary bus passes lifted in many areas, should railcard restrictions be eased? Perhaps a standard after 9 am for all cards?
No because Railcards exist to promote leisure travel and anything that promotes leisure travel at the moment is a no-no.

The exception is the Disabled Persons Railcard which has no time restriction anyway.
 

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This may be blue-sky thinking but I would like railcard validities to be extended by 3 months or more. My 26-30 railcard expires in April (shortly before I turn 32) and I had planned to get at least two 7-day rovers around now, which will now cost me over £50 more by the time it may be safe (or at least less risky) to go travelling again.
 

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This may be blue-sky thinking but I would like railcard validities to be extended by 3 months or more. My 26-30 railcard expires in April (shortly before I turn 32) and I had planned to get at least two 7-day rovers around now, which will now cost me over £50 more by the time it may be safe (or at least less risky) to go travelling again.
They've done that before (off the back of the "gauge corner cracking" issues) but it was worthless to people who maintained a Railcard at all times.
 

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Everyone did benefit iirc. For a whole year Railcards sold had 15 months validity.
No, they didn't, because regardless of that if you want to hold a YP/16-25 Railcard for the maximum possible duration you had to purchase the same number of Railcards, which meant throwing away those three months on your last purchase, to purchase one day before your 25th birthday to keep it until you were 26 - 2 days. Indeed, some people lost out because they didn't realise you could throw away those months.

It would have been better to offer a 24 month Railcard (they were all 12 back then other than the HSBC/Midland Bank 3 year old) for say 1.5x the cost of annual, as that wouldn't have broken that cycle.
 

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No, they didn't, because regardless of that if you want to hold a YP/16-25 Railcard for the maximum possible duration you had to purchase the same number of Railcards, which meant throwing away those three months on your last purchase, to purchase one day before your 25th birthday to keep it until you were 26 - 2 days. Indeed, some people lost out because they didn't realise you could throw away those months.

It would have been better to offer a 24 month Railcard (they were all 12 back then other than the HSBC/Midland Bank 3 year old) for say 1.5x the cost of annual, as that wouldn't have broken that cycle.
Ok I see what you're saying although that's specific to the 16-25 Railcard.

I had a Network Railcard at the time which expired at the end of December, when I renewed the new railcard was valid through till the end of March. March then became my new railcard renewal month going forwrds.
 

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Frankly I'm getting fed up with the amount of selfish fools still making obviously non-essential journeys on the trains I'm working - drunks, people with bags of clothes shopping, kids etc. It'd be incredibly hard to police but I'd give key workers free passes for the duration, pensioners travel as normal and everyone else should have to prove why they need to travel when they buy their ticket.
 

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Frankly I'm getting fed up with the amount of selfish fools still making obviously non-essential journeys on the trains I'm working - drunks, people with bags of clothes shopping, kids etc. It'd be incredibly hard to police but I'd give key workers free passes for the duration, pensioners travel as normal and everyone else should have to prove why they need to travel when they buy their ticket.
Any drunk catching one of your trains won't have got drunk in a pub. I suggest this issue is now in the past?

What you may think is non-essential travel may well be essential from the perspective of at least some of those passengers e.g. separated families where dad has the kids every other weekend. Try telling a 7 year old they cannot see daddy after all.

Another issue is the low paid gig economy workers, many of whom are immigrants and who cannot work remotely, who will be terrified of losing their only source of income and have no safety net.

Also, many key workers do not work for the NHS, so may not look like they are key workers.

There will always be those who think the rules only apply to others, but most people are sensible.
 
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