Phoenix
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Just watch and all will become clear it gave me a good laugh.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMvpH65c-vc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMvpH65c-vc
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Ivo
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Oh, classic. Absolutely brilliant. Might we have a stopping Eurostar service in Bath too?
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Why? He pronounced it correctly! Which is more than can be said for most of the English!
Ivo
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A virus, perhaps? I wonder if anywhere else managed by Southern had this problem? Mind you, if it happened at Brighton or East Croydon...
Jordy
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A virus which attacks PIS systems by announcing a Eurostar service to Wales? I highly doubt it! I'd imagine it was set up by the Ditra operator to amuse the railtour pax!
Oh no he didn't! Every time he said it it sounded like it had a soft i at the end and a th ie rhyming with frith!
Lampshade
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Just as well it wasn't me announcing it then otherwise it would have been pronounced exactly how it looks - Pon-tee-prid
Ivo
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Would you be able to provide an accurate pronunciation of Pontypridd, then? I must admit that I always thought that it was "Pont-ee-priff", but I'm not sure... Still, better than "Pon-tee-prid" suppose. Being so close to Wales does give relatively easy access to their pronunciations. I always thought that Caerdydd was "care-didd", not something similar to the French "gare" [station] followed by "diff" until fairly recently... [Iidiot!
- sorry if anyone else thought/thinks the same, because I have effectively called you idiots too!]
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Lampshade
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dan_atki
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Which is the correct pronunciation - Pont-ee-preeth!
If you did want to be picky with Welsh pronunciation there, choose Llanfairpwll. Best not to get me started...
Lampshade
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Wahey, not only can I pronounce it but I can spell it from memory, won me numerous bets
dan_atki
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Wahey, not only can I pronounce it but I can spell it from memory, won me numerous bets
The full form (rather than the 12 letter contraction), I take it!
Ivo
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Ah, Welsh. Also known as "The World's Phonetic Minefield"
I just invented that term, so no passing it off as your own!
I just invented that term, so no passing it off as your own!
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Jordy
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The thing is though, its all well and good going for a full on Welsh pronunciation, but going for near enough correct and clear pronunciation makes it much easier for non Welsh speakers to understand IMO!
Wahey, not only can I pronounce it but I can spell it from memory, won me numerous bets
That's more than many Welsh people can do!
Ah, Welsh. Also known as "The World's Phonetic Minefield"
Correct! Although I used to have great problems with pronunciation in norfolk - Potter Heigham, Happisburgh and Wymondham being particularly problematic!
I just invented that term, so no passing it off as your own!
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I think you're right! When I advise English friends I suggest they pronounce it as Poolthelly - that's the nearest without dislocating your mouth!
Ivo
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Why, oh why did I decide to spend the winter trying to learn Welsh...? IT'S IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!
N.B. It isn't really. It's just impossible for a non-native to pronounce! And even then, that's a lie :roll:
I would like to hear something similar by the guy who provides the Welsh language voiceover. To a typical Englishman, it would be something like this:
[Nonsensical Gibberish]
Y Barri, Conway, Caergaint Gorllewinol, Aberdaugleddau, Lerpwl Canalog, Llywdlo, Caerlyr, Hwlffordd, y Caergrawnt.
[Further Nonsensical Gibberish]
- Barry, Conwy, Canterbury West, Milford Haven, Liverpool Central, Ludlow, Leicester, Haverfordwest and Cambridge
[Lesson one in "Making a Loss", methinks...]
N.B. It isn't really. It's just impossible for a non-native to pronounce! And even then, that's a lie :roll:
I would like to hear something similar by the guy who provides the Welsh language voiceover. To a typical Englishman, it would be something like this:
[Nonsensical Gibberish]
Y Barri, Conway, Caergaint Gorllewinol, Aberdaugleddau, Lerpwl Canalog, Llywdlo, Caerlyr, Hwlffordd, y Caergrawnt.
[Further Nonsensical Gibberish]
- Barry, Conwy, Canterbury West, Milford Haven, Liverpool Central, Ludlow, Leicester, Haverfordwest and Cambridge
[Lesson one in "Making a Loss", methinks...]
dan_atki
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AKA, the English copout version...
Still, we could go all 'English' with Llandudno (now lan-dud-no), Llanelli (lan-elly), Caersws (care-swiss), Machynlleth (mac-en-nell-iff), Llanfairpwll (lan-fair-pwill), Porthmadog (porff-ma-dog), and several others...
Ivo
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AKA, the English copout version...
Still, we could go all 'English' with Llandudno (now lan-dud-no), Llanelli (lan-elly), Caersws (care-swiss), Machynlleth (mac-en-nell-iff), Llanfairpwll (lan-fair-pwill), Porthmadog (porff-ma-dog), and several others...
Well, so long as we don't start to hear "Garrdiff Gannahlogg"...!
Also, if you ask me, "Lan-elly" just sounds really odd. And if Alan Lambourne [the Gilette Soccer Saturday Results reader] can say Caersws properly, I'm sure that at least some of England can.
Ivo
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I notice that you are from Wales yourself. Does this mean that you can speak Welsh fluently, or would you be one of the majority who would be happy to say "Care-swiss"?
Haha, I don't speak welsh Fluently anymore, I am however undergoing lessons to get my welsh back up to scratch and I can pronounce a majority of names being said. Caersws I can say with difficulty.
Although Care-Swiss will come to mind whenever I see its name now!
Ivo
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I would like to know where "care-swiss" came from, though. It doesn't even look like that. I would have thought that the lack of a vowel would make the "W" a vowel sound? Along the lines of "care-soohs"?
Jordy
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I'm not saying say it exactly as you would in English, you need more of a balance between correct and understandable! "Kigh-ah-suess" is fine as it is understandable!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/whatsinaname/sites/howdoisay/
This shows many of the ways to say Welsh Names,
Although Caersws doesn't seem to be there, I do have a feeling though, if my welsh serves me right Ivo you're getting closer.
It's along the lines of Car-Soos I'm not sure how the w is said.
This shows many of the ways to say Welsh Names,
Although Caersws doesn't seem to be there, I do have a feeling though, if my welsh serves me right Ivo you're getting closer.
It's along the lines of Car-Soos I'm not sure how the w is said.
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It was my over-Anglified equivalent of a few Welsh places in an attempt to prove a point about English people and Welsh place names
. And 'Puh-hlel-lee' isn't understandable as Pwllheli then? :?
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