irish_rail
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I have also heard this action also applies to all Hitachi GWR depots. 2+4 to London anyone?!!!
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Poor pay offer to send GWR and LNER trains off the rails
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Yes that would appear to be all GWR depots.
It depends what sort of level is impacted. It might be cleaning or refuelling or depot operators (or a combination of all of them). The latter would obviously be problematic for signalling trains out of depots (might be outstabling in platforms as a result) and a lack of refuelling may also restrict the service to certain areas.
Ultimately LNER and GWR are probably trying to work out what sort of service is feasible.
Charter stock being sent out then was because it was a national occasion - a money-no-object type situation. I doubt any sort of political will would exist to cover strike action in such a way.
What's strange is there's no mention of TPE or ScotRail being affected despite them have stock maintained at the Craigentinny and Doncaster depots.
The RMT ballot was titled "RATES OF PAY AND CONDITIONS OF SERVICE 2023 – HITACHI RAIL (LNER EAST COAST)". Maybe it is only staff working on the LNER contract that are involved, do Hitatchi have separate staff working on the different contracts?
The RMT ballot was titled "RATES OF PAY AND CONDITIONS OF SERVICE 2023 – HITACHI RAIL (LNER EAST COAST)". Maybe it is only staff working on the LNER contract that are involved, do Hitatchi have separate staff working on the different contracts?
renegademaster
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Its happened for stock shortages before, though not for quite a while
Nor is there any mention of Hull Trains, which has stock maintained by Hitachi at Bounds Green.
Gwr12345
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Can Intercity 225s still technically go to Newcastle? Do drivers at York sign them, and do the same drivers drive to Newcastle? Provided the answer to 1 and 2 are yes, are they cleared for operation? I would imagine the answer is no, but never deny a rail enthusiast their crayons!
Snow1964
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That is the basis of the 2 weeks notice, so customers/passengers can be informed of disruption.
However this appears to be a 2 step process, Hitachi should have forwarded the notice to GWR and LNER (and other operators, if affected) if they expect disruption as these companies are their affected customers, so they can warn of it.
Cannot remember consequences if notices not served properly
No, as station staff are not competent on mk4s anymore.
As far as am aware, depot staff work on all fleets, not for specific Toc stock.
That's a shame - would've been nice to see some 225s at Newcastle!
The employer can take the Union to court and seek an injunction blocking them from taking industrial action on the proposed dates. Similar to the process that would be followed if the employer felt that there had been an irregularity in the ballot process which does happen from time to time.
Snow1964
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RMT has issued new press release, seems to say at Craigentinny, Bounds Green & Doncaster.
Does that mean GWR is unaffected (apart from usual lack of sufficient serviceable IETs)26 January 2024RMT Press Office:
Does that mean GWR is unaffected (apart from usual lack of sufficient serviceable IETs)26 January 2024RMT Press Office:
Hitachi Rail workers to take five days strike action
Rail Union RMT members working across East Coast mainline for Hitachi Rail will begin five days of strike action on Saturday.
www.rmt.org.uk
The GWR related depots appear to be Unite members who also announced action; "https://www.unitetheunion.org/news-...ional-strike-by-hitachi-rail-workers-over-pay", can't see any update from Unite so presumable it's still going ahead.RMT has issued new press release, seems to say at Craigentinny, Bounds Green & Doncaster.
Does that mean GWR is unaffected (apart from usual lack of sufficient serviceable IETs)26 January 2024RMT Press Office:
Hitachi Rail workers to take five days strike action
Rail Union RMT members working across East Coast mainline for Hitachi Rail will begin five days of strike action on Saturday.www.rmt.org.uk
None of the TOC's have any info on possible disruption on their websites at present.
Unite accepted the pay deal this week, according to the following.
400 RMT workers at Hitachi to strike on Saturday until 1 February
The RMT union, which is run by Mick Lynch, said its members on the route will walk out for five days, starting on the weekend.www.cityam.com
A Hitachi Rail spokesperson said: “We are disappointed at RMT’s decision to carry out industrial action.
“We believe the combination of last year’s pay increase, and this year’s pay proposal, is fair and highly competitive in the current economic environment. As demonstrated by Unite members accepting the same offer this week and ending their planned industrial action.
“We will continue to work with the RMT to find a solution. In the meantime, we have enacted contingency plans to mitigate the impact of industrial action.”
None of the TOCs mention any potential disruption, presumably because the contingency plans means that Hitachi is not expecting any impact to the TOCs.
Xenophon PCDGS
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Well, today being 27th January, the first day mentioned in the RMT press release, it will be interesting to see what actually transpires.
Goldfish62
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Looking at journeycheck, so far it looks like a normal day on GWR, with the usual short formations all over the place.
“The strike at Hitachi Rail, which maintains the stock and signalling for LNER, comes amid an ongoing dispute over safety and pay.“
Even by modern journalism standards that’s poor!
I can't see anything unusual on LNER today.
All the basic servicing of units is still being undertaken.
And the full quota of units is being delivered.
Xenophon PCDGS
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The title of this thread now looks strange in context to matters now prevailing.
YorkRailFan
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We've got a 5 car on 1E20 out of Edinburgh.
Thankfully LNER have allowed passengers to travel on other services, as 1E20 would likely be full and standing most likely.
Thankfully LNER have allowed passengers to travel on other services, as 1E20 would likely be full and standing most likely.
Luckily for Hitachi Unite have settled their dispute so presumably a sizeable part of each depot’s staff is now available to work
Not at Lner depots they have not, they have settled at the GWR depots.
Bounds Green, Doncaster and Craigentinny are all still out on strike.
Bounds Green, Doncaster and Craigentinny are all still out on strike.
Is there going to be any noticable passenger impact to LNER services though?
Hasn’t been any yesterday or today, unsure how it will pan out for the remaining 3 days.
DanNCL
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There has been an impact as there’s been a couple of short forms on the Edinburgh route today with advance ticket restrictions lifted on the services in question.
Unsure about the Leeds route.