It might not work at Attadale. It works at Preston.
It wasn't working in Preston last time I tried.
It might not work at Attadale. It works at Preston.
If they are throwing away loads, just print less!
Of course we don’t know if they were actively all put out or if racks were left empty frequently due to not enough staff being available to refill them.
Try navigating through a PDF version on your phone, where you keep having to zoom in and out, and then can’t see the column with the name of the stations, and the times at the same time.
There is still a place for printed timetables even with all the apps and journey planners as they show a full picture of the service, not just your specific journey.
Thats because TV nowerdays is imported tripe from America !From what I see on the TV these days i'm not so sure!
People are just going to have to suck it up, it is an online world. On seeing the complaints about not having a computer or access to one, be thankful you aren't unemployed. Want to apply to sign on? Online process. Want to provide evidence to a job coach or risk losing benefit? Online process. Want to apply for a job to get off unemployment? Near 100% online process.
I see some people have said "well print less".When you see how many timetables are thrown away at the end of a timetable period...
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Um, I hardly see any "imported tripe" from American on the BBC, ITV, Channel 5.Thats because TV nowerdays is imported tripe from America !!
Is your local library affected by cuts?Yes, most libraries have free internet access, but even that is being limited to 30 mins use (pay for longer use) in some places. That is, if your local library is still open and not been closed due to cuts !
Yes my local library is affected by cuts.I see some people have said "well print less".
Yes but then if the TOC runs out, that means bad PR.
I don't understand why people need timetables.
Go to National Rail's live departure boards for the station you want to depart from and check what time there.
Going in a few months time?
Trains are the same every day. Not weekends, that's fair enough, but you can always check train planners.
Um, I hardly see any "imported tripe" from American on the BBC, ITV, Channel 5.
But then if we're not that great at creating entertainment, why shouldn't we import it? But then that view is objective anyway so is null for this thread.
Is your local library affected by cuts?
If not, don't put excuses in the way for you.
You can't suggest other people may not have internet access as their local library has closed as they may also prefer not to bother with printed timetables.
Most people call it evolution.
Some people will not want to bother with technology and will be left behind.
I see some people have said "well print less".
Yes but then if the TOC runs out, that means bad PR.
For those who can't afford a computer, live in such a remote part of the country that internet access is impossible, don't have a smartphone or any mobile signal, no friends of family that can go online and print a timetable for them, and no accessible local or regional facility with internet access for the general public, there is the option of contacting National Rail Enquiries by phone. There must be very few people in the UK that cannot use a telephone.
Thats because TV nowerdays is imported tripe from America !
As for sucking it up. That will happen only if we let it.
Its so difficult to believe goverments who spout about diversity and not to discriminate, and yet they do just that if you fall on hard times and you cant afford internet access.
Yes, most libraries have free internet access, but even that is being limited to 30 mins use (pay for longer use) in some places. That is, if your local library is still open and not been closed due to cuts !
It’s nothimg to do with catering just for old people who don’t use the internet, or for areas with no internet signal.
Just because a version of something is available online doesn’t mean it can’t be available in printed form as well.
Otherwise just make it so ticket offices can print them out on requestMaybe there's a halfway house - TOCs to supply printed timetables by post on request. That way only a small number need be ordered at any one time, so stock holding costs are reduced.
Otherwise just make it so ticket offices can print them out on request
In terms of the Jobcentre, with the full electronic roll out of Universal Credit, people are going to have to suck it up. If they cannot adhere to their claimant commitment by doing daily jobsearch (and providing evidence of via UC) then they will have to visit the Jobcentre daily to use either their facilities or free wi-fi. Then watch how the majority will suddenly find alternative facilities that they said they couldn't find before.
Printed timetables are quite rare to find in unstaffed stationsSlightly wouldn't work at unstaffed stations.
What is your suggestion for those with disabilities either physical or mental (or both) who do not currently have access to the internet at home (after all it's not a requirement) to manage their Universal Credit accounts? Fit and able jobseekers will find a way of living with it I quite agree but that's not the only cohort who will need to suddenly access the internet.
I'd imagine they would have to attend the Jobcentre to use facilities or receive assistance to use the facilities in order to fulfil any claimant commitment.
You have anxiety, potentially crippling, meaning that engaging with unfamiliar person proves to be a nightmarish prospect that can trigger panic attacks. It is reasonable to mean that the only way that they can manage their claim is by going to the Jobcentre?
You have severe arthritis that is riddled throughout your body, the only way you can avoid crippling pain is to avoid moving as much as possible. Usually you spend the majority of your day either in bed or on the sofa in a cocoon of cushions to support your body. Having to leave home, even using a taxi, exacerbates your pain and can leave you suffering for several days afterwards with increased pain. Is it reasonable that the only way they can manage their claim is by going to the Jobcentre?
Right now people such as the above would be in the Support Group of Employment and Support Allowance and therefore left alone by the Jobcentre and if they do need to contact the DWP to manage their claim would be able to do so via post or telephone. Under Universal Credit the only way they can manage their account will be online as that is the only way that the Jobcentre/DWP will communicate with them. Of course this assumes that they can even make a claim in the first place. After all it's online only...
You have anxiety, potentially crippling, meaning that engaging with unfamiliar person proves to be a nightmarish prospect that can trigger panic attacks. It is reasonable to mean that the only way that they can manage their claim is by going to the Jobcentre?
You have severe arthritis that is riddled throughout your body, the only way you can avoid crippling pain is to avoid moving as much as possible. Usually you spend the majority of your day either in bed or on the sofa in a cocoon of cushions to support your body. Having to leave home, even using a taxi, exacerbates your pain and can leave you suffering for several days afterwards with increased pain. Is it reasonable that the only way they can manage their claim is by going to the Jobcentre?
Right now people such as the above would be in the Support Group of Employment and Support Allowance and therefore left alone by the Jobcentre and if they do need to contact the DWP to manage their claim would be able to do so via post or telephone. Under Universal Credit the only way they can manage their account will be online as that is the only way that the Jobcentre/DWP will communicate with them. Of course this assumes that they can even make a claim in the first place. After all it's online only...
It's all a mess and will get worse. In the first two examples it's a possible argument that they shouldn't be under a jobsearch specific claimant commitment anyway, or even actively expected to search for work. I'd certainly expect the latter not to.
Right now people such as the above would be in the Support Group of Employment and Support Allowance and therefore left alone by the Jobcentre and if they do need to contact the DWP to manage their claim would be able to do so via post or telephone. Under Universal Credit the only way they can manage their account will be online as that is the only way that the Jobcentre/DWP will communicate with them. Of course this assumes that they can even make a claim in the first place. After all it's online only...
If you can get a phone line to a home, you can get at the very least a slow net connection. As you say, there are very few homes in the UK that do not have a landline at least, and I imagine those so remote where even that isn't possible will have at least a car to get about and could easily reach a point where a computer / smartphone could be accessed.
I'm afraid for those who still do not trust the technology, as myself and others have articulated more & more services are going to use online facilities as the prime & often only means to interact. If the absence of printed timetables is causing angst, then I'm afraid so will many other services.
Personally I think of the difference between a journey planner and a printed timetable as similar to that of a satnav and a map. Both are useful for slightly different things, and both ought to be available. You could get by with just one or the other but having both is a good thing.
(I’m not sure any more whether this analogy is my own invention or whether I’ve borrowed it from someone else; if the latter, apologies).
I certainly use a combination of printed timetables, online timetable PDFs, journey planners and RTT/OTT. At various times, each of these seem to be the most useful thing to use, depending on the specific circumstance.