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They might need to keep a few Voyagers to run some Liverpool and North Wales trains to balance capacity.Presumably till supply is upgraded the 807s will cover Birmingham and Blackpool services
They might need to keep a few Voyagers to run some Liverpool and North Wales trains to balance capacity.Presumably till supply is upgraded the 807s will cover Birmingham and Blackpool services
Especially as they are OHLE onlySurely the 805s will be needed for North Wales services? What will happen to the 807s now?
800s are more hungry. WCRM didn't upgrade it all.But LNR runs fewer services to Liverpool than it did, and all the freight uses diesel these days.
The route's power supply and feeding methods have also been expensively upgraded in recent years as part of WCRM.
But no longer for ShrewsburySurely the 805s will be needed for North Wales services?
And when will the 807s be ready?. 805s will run between Crewe and Liverpool on diesel. They have also mentioned their target to introduce these are June.
Probably looking at late Summer I'd imagine.But no longer for Shrewsbury
And when will the 807s be ready?
so the report is accurate, and at least initially there will 805s on diesel to Liverpool?800s are more hungry. WCRM didn't upgrade it all.
TfN Board Meeting Videoso the report is accurate, and at least initially there will 805s on diesel to Liverpool?
Still odd there isn't the spare capacity for 1 extra electric train per hour per direction
so the report is accurate, and at least initially there will 805s on diesel to Liverpool?
It is quite the shambles given the big fuss of these new electric trains to Liverpool.. that'll now be a little bit dieselLet's hope they upgrade the power supply soon - new diesel under the wire really shouldn't be happening
And by the sound of things, the 807's won't be going to Liverpool.It is quite the shambles given the big fuss of these new electric trains to Liverpool.. that'll now be a little bit diesel
note that this will be an entirely extra service, on top of the hourly pendolino, so they could just use pricing to send people towards the other serviceAnd by the sound of things, the 807's won't be going to Liverpool.
They will need 2 805's for a diagram as there is going to be a lot of people standing up on just one 805.
note that this will be an entirely extra service, on top of the hourly pendolino, so they could just use pricing to send people towards the other service
note that this will be an entirely extra service, on top of the hourly pendolino, so they could just use pricing to send people towards the other service
Does anyone know when we are likely to see the first 805/807 in service. I understand that more voyagers are going off-lease from June, so presumably before then?
Ypou can't do that - an off peak or anytime ticket is valid on any train (within the off peak times for OP), and even if no fare is offered to LSP, break of journey is allowed.Yes, it'd be an option to offer Advances only from Liverpool South Parkway on that one (due to that one being the one to stop there) and everything else to be walk up - I reckon that would balance the load.
I think the theory is that Advances won't be offered from Lime St and other stations encouraging those passengers onto the other train per hour, not that there won't be a flexible ticket.Ypou can't do that - an off peak or anytime ticket is valid on any train (within the off peak times for OP), and even if no fare is offered to LSP, break of journey is allowed.
Ypou can't do that - an off peak or anytime ticket is valid on any train (within the off peak times for OP), and even if no fare is offered to LSP, break of journey is allowed.
So the 807's are unlikely to be going on the Liverpool services?I've found a possible 805 allocated service to Chester in June in the AWC app.
The 10:02 London Euston to Chester is showing with Standard seats in Coach M and no seat map. I'm only guessing but this could be an 805 as there is no Coach M on the Voyagers. Nothing on the Liverpools yet.
I've found what looks very much like a double 805 (15:32 to Euston on June 10th), and it has a seat mapI've found a possible 805 allocated service to Chester in June in the AWC app.
The 10:02 London Euston to Chester is showing with Standard seats in Coach M and no seat map. I'm only guessing but this could be an 805 as there is no Coach M on the Voyagers. Nothing on the Liverpools yet.
There was a brand new power supply put in next to Tuebrook Sidings for the 2015 Chat Moss electrification. What area does that cover?But LNR runs fewer services to Liverpool than it did, and all the freight uses diesel these days.
The route's power supply and feeding methods have also been expensively upgraded in recent years as part of WCRM.
This is great! Now we have more of an idea of what times they will be phased in.I've found what looks very much like a double 805 (15:32 to Euston on June 10th), and it has a seat map
Double 805:
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It could be an error where it thinks trains after the timetable change are 80x, I wouldn't get your hopes up until we know for sure.This is great! Now we have more of an idea of what times they will be phased in.
True but what I'm more getting at is that it's a good sign we are getting closer.It could be an error where it thinks trains after the timetable change are 80x, I wouldn't get your hopes up until we know for sure.
It wasn’t a “new” power supply point merely a switching sub station. Liverpool area is fed from 132kV Feeder at Speke and partially from the 400 kV Feeder near WeaverThere was a brand new power supply put in next to Tuebrook Sidings for the 2015 Chat Moss electrification. What area does that cover?
What does the equivalent train look like the previoius week? (Which is still after the timetable change).It could be an error where it thinks trains after the timetable change are 80x, I wouldn't get your hopes up until we know for sure.
Gives me a network error:I've found what looks very much like a double 805 (15:32 to Euston on June 10th), and it has a seat map
Double 805:
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Voyager:
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