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Project Oval: TfL win DfT contract to expand contactless system to 233 rail stations by May 2024, Railcards coming to contactless payment cards
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Just looking, how much of the updated public information is written in the present tense (i.e. "you can pay with contactless"), when it still refers to the future? Or makes only passing reference (e.g. that official map I've just downloaded from South Eastern)? Cue disputes...
Cuffley and Epsom are actually in zone 9, though TfL don't advertise them as such.
Actually TfL do if you look up the station page for each one. The issue is that the 7-day travelcard for zones 1-6 from either is significantly cheaper than the 7-day zones 1-9. Thus the TOCs do not want it widely published.
I'm not sure if it's been mentioned yet, but the next stage, including Stansted, is expected in the second half of next year.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/tra...tless-tickets-dft-tap-on-london-b1179829.html
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/tra...tless-tickets-dft-tap-on-london-b1179829.html
Jammy Dodger
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How do you think this will be achieved? A few tap points at various locations, or a full gateline?
With difficulty, given there are something like 14 ways to access the station at present.
So, a more gradual roll out than initially anticipated, since 45 additional stations plus the first 52 falls some way short of the full 233 initially indicated in the opening post.
If Stansted is included, it would seem likely that the stations between Broxbourne and there (Roydon, Harlow Town, Harlow Mill, Sawbridgeworth, Bishops Stortford, Stansted Mountfitchet) will be in the list of 45, so that accounts for 7 of them. I note that the article (and press release) doesn't list them.
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Kieran_MF135
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wonder if they would need it to be linked to account or something
As best as I can tell, KeyGo cards hold no railcard information. If a railcard is registered, it is all calculated in the back office. Any misuse would have to be of the system for registering railcards. I imagine contactless would be the same.
Tazi Hupefi
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There is a new RDG API available for retailers to verify Railcards (regardless of sales channel) and all associated data, which is part of the solution for this in due course.
The data is getting better and better now more have moved to digital, and the paper based Railcard application forms are actually being properly processed and stored.
I suspect we will eventually get to a point that you cannot purchase a Railcard discounted tickets without entering in information about your Railcard which is validated instantly.
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I'm sure I've been asked to show my railcard when using KeyGo.
SWT_USER
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These are the addtional stations, according to Tom Edwards (BBC London transport correspondent)
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The speed at which this is rolling out is glacial. Still a gaping hole between Virginia Water and Reading which is ridiculous when Paddington to Reading has had contactless payments available for years. It would be nice if railcard discounts could be added at some point before I'm eligible for a senor one in 25 years too.
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The speed at which this is rolling out is glacial. Still a gaping hole between Virginia Water and Reading which is ridiculous when Paddington to Reading has had contactless payments available for years. It would be nice if railcard discounts could be added at some point before I'm eligible for a senor one in 25 years too.
Could that have been a railcard discounted ITSO ticket, stored on the same card ?
Done well, that would be a significant benefit, removing a lot of potential for confusion.
At the moment that might well make sense, as you're required by the regs to carry your card with you when you travel. One could imagine future scenarios where that becomes unnecessary but I suspect it'll still be stated to be required in all cases so that there is one consistent rule regardless of the form in which a ticket or railcard is held.
I still believe railcard discount should only be accessible when tied to a linked railcard that can only be registered to a centralised ticketing database or from onboard staff/ticket office.
It's far too easy to access the discount at the moment.
Chiltern line to Aylesbury Parkway. GA branch to Stansted, mainline to Chelmsford, branch to Southend Victoria. GTR to Knebworth and Watton at Stone, Thameslink north to Leagrave, south to Reigate, East Grinstead and Dorking (main).These are the addtional stations, according to Tom Edwards (BBC London transport correspondent)
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This point is really for another thread.
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Indeed. It certainly was proposed previously, but looks like it's been dropped. Virginia Water to Reading is pretty much a forgotten backwater these days.These are the addtional stations, according to Tom Edwards (BBC London transport correspondent)
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The speed at which this is rolling out is glacial. Still a gaping hole between Virginia Water and Reading which is ridiculous when Paddington to Reading has had contactless payments available for years.
Just deferred to a later phase presumably.
Witham appears to be the limit beyond Chelmsford.
Not all good news for those stations of course, once the increase in weekend and evening fares, plus evening restrictions is taken into account, but such is progress.
Tom Edwards has written in the Twitter comment.
Clearly part of it is also that fares go up for a group of passengers, and down for others, in a way that isn't neutral.
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Isn't it the case that at least today railcards can't be used with contactless [in the sense of Visa or Mastercard]?
Yes. Project Oval was initially expected to sort that issue out.
For some reason it seems to have become “too hard”. Shame, as an occasional visitor with a railcard, because I don’t want to use Oyster. When contactless + railcard was first mooted I thought I’d be fine with it; I’m about to renew my 3-year Senior railcard and still no sign of it. Boo.
Bletchleyite
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I thought it was migration of Oyster to the contactless back end that was tasked with that.
Hasn't it always been left a little ambiguous as to what the solution will actually be? There is speculation in this thread but I don't recall a definitive answer.
TheGuy77
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I'm wondering how many zones there will be...
It isn't defined in terms of zones once outside the current Oyster area, so no extra zones. The fares are set on a point to point basis. The only 'zonal pricing' is Zone 1 centric, consistent with a travelcard.
The Oyster system can only have 15 zones, and limited period limits. The contactless system has end of day journey calculations and monthly caps. They chose to add discounts to contactless rather than more zones and caps to Oyster. Oyster will be switched off.
I believe the current plan for Oyster is to migrate that to end of day calculations too.
Although in London I'd be interested to know the percentage of Oyster vs Contactless payments.