Smudger105e
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I had quite a legthy discussion about racism with my lovely wife last night, and we agreed to disagree that one of the big problems with identifying whether a comment etc. is racist is based largely on your own position (e.g are you on the recieving end) and also the definition of racism.
My wife has the view that racism is the opression of an ethnic minority group by members of the majority group. My view is that by even accepting that there is an issue because of someone's skin colour makes us all racist, but not necessarily in a negative way. Does that make sense?
I further read in this morning's paper that apparently:
Dutch players were outraged last night after being racially abused during training.
The Dutch are based in Krakow, close to England’s headquarters, and chants rained down on them at Wisla Krakow’s stadium as they prepared for Saturday's opening group game against Denmark.
Roy Hodgson’s side will hold a training session at their Polish base, in front of 3,500 invited spectators, on Friday.
Dutch skipper Mark Van Bommel has threatened to walk off the pitch if his side suffer a repeat of the abuse that his black team-mates endured during their open session.
On the squad's first lap of the pitch, around 500 Polish fans started a chorus of monkey chants, which became even louder at the end of the second circuit.
Van Bommel led the squad to the other end of the stadium to escape the abuse, then launched a furious verbal assault accusing UEFA officials of trying to sweep the problem under the carpet.
The former Bayern Munich and AC Milan midfielder, now back with first club PSV Eindhoven, said: “What happened is a real disgrace, especially after getting back from Auschwitz, that we were confronted with this.
“We will take it up with UEFA and if it happens on the pitch during a match we will talk to the referee and ask to leave the field.”
UEFA officials and Dutch FA chiefs attempted to play down the incident but an infuriated Van Bommel added: “If people say they didn’t hear it, then they need to open their ears.
“If they did hear it and didn’t want to hear it, then that’s even worse.”
The Wisla ground, the largest in Krakow, is around three miles from England’s training base at the Stadion Suche Stawy.
FA chiefs have been determined to demonstrate their role as “good tourists” during their stay in Krakow.
Skipper Steven Gerrard led Hodgson’s squad as they attended a reception given by the Mayor of Krakow at the 19th Century Polish Art Gallery, close to their city centre hotel.
The England players will also visit Auschwitz and the Schindler Museum to pay tribute to the victims of the Holocaust.
source http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/hollands-black-players-racially-abused-867125
Now I believe that the action of these abusers is entirely unacceptable, but what action could and should be taken, and by who?
Discuss
My wife has the view that racism is the opression of an ethnic minority group by members of the majority group. My view is that by even accepting that there is an issue because of someone's skin colour makes us all racist, but not necessarily in a negative way. Does that make sense?
I further read in this morning's paper that apparently:
Dutch players were outraged last night after being racially abused during training.
The Dutch are based in Krakow, close to England’s headquarters, and chants rained down on them at Wisla Krakow’s stadium as they prepared for Saturday's opening group game against Denmark.
Roy Hodgson’s side will hold a training session at their Polish base, in front of 3,500 invited spectators, on Friday.
Dutch skipper Mark Van Bommel has threatened to walk off the pitch if his side suffer a repeat of the abuse that his black team-mates endured during their open session.
On the squad's first lap of the pitch, around 500 Polish fans started a chorus of monkey chants, which became even louder at the end of the second circuit.
Van Bommel led the squad to the other end of the stadium to escape the abuse, then launched a furious verbal assault accusing UEFA officials of trying to sweep the problem under the carpet.
The former Bayern Munich and AC Milan midfielder, now back with first club PSV Eindhoven, said: “What happened is a real disgrace, especially after getting back from Auschwitz, that we were confronted with this.
“We will take it up with UEFA and if it happens on the pitch during a match we will talk to the referee and ask to leave the field.”
UEFA officials and Dutch FA chiefs attempted to play down the incident but an infuriated Van Bommel added: “If people say they didn’t hear it, then they need to open their ears.
“If they did hear it and didn’t want to hear it, then that’s even worse.”
The Wisla ground, the largest in Krakow, is around three miles from England’s training base at the Stadion Suche Stawy.
FA chiefs have been determined to demonstrate their role as “good tourists” during their stay in Krakow.
Skipper Steven Gerrard led Hodgson’s squad as they attended a reception given by the Mayor of Krakow at the 19th Century Polish Art Gallery, close to their city centre hotel.
The England players will also visit Auschwitz and the Schindler Museum to pay tribute to the victims of the Holocaust.
source http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/hollands-black-players-racially-abused-867125
Now I believe that the action of these abusers is entirely unacceptable, but what action could and should be taken, and by who?
Discuss