I don't see any positive outcome of handing all the control of fares over to the RDG and ToC's (which is what it sounds like they want), especially considering what they are suggesting. As for scarring off passengers - considering a large number of rail travel is essentially a captive market, there isn't a huge risk there imo. It very much is put up with it because you have no other realistic choice. As I said, there is a difference between challenging the existing broken system, and wanting to remove all regulations which protect the consumer, whilst at the same time suggesting changes that will drive prices up for a large number of passengers, and add restrictions to other passengers where none existed before. Not at the moment, but the post I was replying to implied that it could be in the future (or at least that is how I read it). The problem with that is what we will see is single fares staying at the level they are at and returns removed. Anyone wanting a return would see pretty much a doubling in their fare (as currently many singles are only a little cheaper than the returns). It very much depends on which market you are looking at. Leisure travel, yeah I'd agree with you (apart from travel into London). But commuters? There is a reason people put up with higher than inflation and higher than wage increases price rises. And that isn't because they enjoy it. That really isn't changing as much or as quickly as some people like to think. Sure a lot of places offer more flexible working now, but usually that still means having to be in the office during core hours (often 10-4) and then either starting early or starting late. Errr but hasn't the RDG just literally set out some proposals of what it wants to see? And have you not seen how much power the RDG has in terms of removing valid routes etc (seriously, have a look at the RG updates thread, there is no way all those changes are actually getting the proper oversight they need). If you think the RDG or the ToC's will not have a hand in any new system, then you are being VERY naive. They have literally asked for regulations to be removed. What do you think private companies will do if that happens?