This is rather unfair - Unions are for all the workforce and its inevitable that people will have differing opinions about things and they also have a democratic right to vote how they see fit and if they dont think now is the right time to strike for one reason or another then that is their right to do so and they shouldn't be bullied or have scathing remarks made to them either at work or on a forum - and telling people to leave just because they dont agree with the strike is shocking behaviour
This flight to Rwanda tonight is costing up to £500k. And that's just ONE flight.
Basically. They didn't want to offer the rest of the staff anything like that. So had to write out collective bargaining. It got voted out mostly by the west side.. But I remember sitting in the messroom and many drivers gloating over it. They didn't care their colleagues would loose out. So I don't much care about drivers terms and conditions.
if the union wins its strike action will mr lynce's pay rise, and would he be eligible for a productivity bonus?
From the number of expected passengers. I would guess 'TUI'
I didn’t vote for Brexit or this Conservative government, but I have to suffer both, it’s called democracy.
We're all drivers in that messroom gloating as you claim or the vocal minority which you get in every workplace ?
Honestly. I'm not trying to be argumentative here. I get the point you are trying to make... But in my experience I would rather have my pet pooch represent me than some of the reps I have seen in action.
5% or 11%?!
To be fair, they didn't say that. Someone has just twisted their words to suggest that is what they said when what they really said was the only reason they would join a union is for help in a dispute but if that meant having to strike they wouldn't join. They did not say they would join for the benefits but not go on strike.
In fairness I think it was your depot (I’m guessing Leeds) that stopped the deal going through.
So you tar all drivers with the same brush.
Although from what it sounds like if any non union members goes into work on a strike day they will be treated like they have the plague by others
It’s called Air Traffic Control. BA is equivalent to a TOC.
Railway staff isn't a job where one can just jump and switch jobs at his own will, unlike e.g. software developer.
I'd love to know your reasons for joining a union. Totally altruistic I'm sure and not because you gain any benefit.
That sounds like a reasonable position to me.
Are you saying that cleaners will be on the same wage as customer service & station staff? Because that was my point. I didn't begrudge anyone getting paid what they do but I was highliting perspective. How many cleaners get £20k or more in other industries?
I think there is a very big difference between a one off bout of industrial action at a workplace where it is likely to be very rare, and the sort of situation we are expecting to see on the railway over coming months where you have a union that appears to be on the verge of a strike somewhere all the time, and the action is expected to be prolonged perhaps for months. The simple reality is that many folk cannot afford to lose a few days' wages on a semi-regular basis all through the summer, and whether others like it or not there will be staff coming to work. If it turns out to be a lengthy dispute I rather suspect those who stick it out to the bitter end will see a significant loss of support as strike dates are repeatedly announced. Financial support from the union is likely to be minimal or absebt, owing to the huge numbers being asked to take action.
So far the offer to anyone at my TOC has been 0% and I hear it's the same elsewhere. So I'm assuming the government is the crucial difference (see also: Scotrail)
They are, it will affect small boxes and large ROCs and PSB's, but there are a lot of non union staff these days, so depending on how many go to work......
