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Peterthegreat
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Manchester Victoria.
D6130
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Pete Waterman?
Snow1964
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Bala Lake railway ?
Peterthegreat
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Somewhere foreign?
Indeed
That's right, the so called Tren Del Fin Del Mundo. And yes, a very long way away indeed
There's a bit more info about the locomotive - called Camila here - https://www.trendelfindelmundo.com.ar/en/camila-locomotive/
Your turn at the regulator
Thank you ! An utter blind guess on my part; but I've got one I might ask; so --
Please cite railway undertakings in four different continents / continental areas; which made use of Beyer-Garratt type articulated steam locomotives during the life and times of the existence of that variety of articulated loco.
Would prefer greater precision, than just naming the country in which such Garratt use took place; but I don't wish to indulge in extremes of "schoolmasterly sadism" -- the fuller detail, the better, but will strive to be reasonably accepting.
Please cite railway undertakings in four different continents / continental areas; which made use of Beyer-Garratt type articulated steam locomotives during the life and times of the existence of that variety of articulated loco.
Would prefer greater precision, than just naming the country in which such Garratt use took place; but I don't wish to indulge in extremes of "schoolmasterly sadism" -- the fuller detail, the better, but will strive to be reasonably accepting.
DerekC
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Well, I'll have a go:
In Africa - South African Railways had some huge ones - 4-8-2+2-8-4, I think.
There were some in India - I had a picture of one in a book about British built steam across the world - in Bengal, maybe. Can't remember any more about them.
And of course in Europe (UK) - the LMS had quite a number (30 or so) 2-6-0+0-6-2s (and the LNER had a couple of bigger ones for banking, I think)
And in Australasia I am going to have to rely on the 2' gauge ones (0-4-0+0-4-0) for Tasmanian Government Railways - which were the first of all.
In Africa - South African Railways had some huge ones - 4-8-2+2-8-4, I think.
There were some in India - I had a picture of one in a book about British built steam across the world - in Bengal, maybe. Can't remember any more about them.
And of course in Europe (UK) - the LMS had quite a number (30 or so) 2-6-0+0-6-2s (and the LNER had a couple of bigger ones for banking, I think)
And in Australasia I am going to have to rely on the 2' gauge ones (0-4-0+0-4-0) for Tasmanian Government Railways - which were the first of all.
Grand, throughout !
SAR for sure had over time, very many examples of the type, of numerous varieties and classes; and some things which looked superficially like Beyer-Garratts, but actually weren't ! India's keenest Garratt user was, truly, the Bengal Nagpur Railway: specialised in massive 4-8-0+0-8-4s. UK -- indeed as you state. Every State rail system in Australia used Garratts in some way or shape; this of course includes the Tasmanian 2ft gauge pair, truly the first of the type.
For you, @DerekC, to take on the role of "Dr. Tankinfront", and produce the monster of your choosing.
SAR for sure had over time, very many examples of the type, of numerous varieties and classes; and some things which looked superficially like Beyer-Garratts, but actually weren't ! India's keenest Garratt user was, truly, the Bengal Nagpur Railway: specialised in massive 4-8-0+0-8-4s. UK -- indeed as you state. Every State rail system in Australia used Garratts in some way or shape; this of course includes the Tasmanian 2ft gauge pair, truly the first of the type.
For you, @DerekC, to take on the role of "Dr. Tankinfront", and produce the monster of your choosing.
DerekC
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Since we are discussing monsters, what were the distinguishing features of the "Golwe" articulated locomotive and (for bonus points) where was it made and used?
I seem to recall (perhaps wrongly) from Durrant / Lewis / Jorgensen's Steam In Africa (it would be cheating to "re-refer" directly to that tome): that the Golwe type was not in fact all that weird; wasn't it rather akin to the Klien-Lindner type -- rigid wheelbase, whereon conventional smokebox / boiler / cab arrangement; ordinary attached-to-loco water tanks; no leading wheels; driving wheels, and trailing bogie, on separate pivoting trucks?
The Golwe loco was a speciality of French Africa -- West and Equatorial thereof, I think, rather than the north -- used on the separate lines / systems (all metre-gauge, if I'm right) of various territories in those parts. That being so: I'd reckon that Golwes were produced by French builders.
The Golwe loco was a speciality of French Africa -- West and Equatorial thereof, I think, rather than the north -- used on the separate lines / systems (all metre-gauge, if I'm right) of various territories in those parts. That being so: I'd reckon that Golwes were produced by French builders.
DerekC
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You have more or less hit the target as far as the place of use is concerned - it was Ivory Coast and French Congo. The latter was part of French Equatorial Africa. The builders probably spoke French but weren't actually based in France!
As far as the locomotive is concerned - there are a couple of important points that you haven't got yet. As a clue - to me it looks a bit like the front of a Mallet riveted to the back of a Garratt.
As far as the locomotive is concerned - there are a couple of important points that you haven't got yet. As a clue - to me it looks a bit like the front of a Mallet riveted to the back of a Garratt.
Builders: this is, I feel, most probably a giveaway -- Tubize, in Belgium (the Walloon bit)?
Basically, I plainly don't remember the essentials: I'd only be "guessing-and-eliminating". I'll leave this part for someone who may have their head better around "artics", than mine is for me !
DerekC
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Right area. The builders (fourteen were built in total) were the Forges Usines et Fonderies de Haine-Saint-Pierre, part of La Louviere, between Mons and Charleroi.
(Doesn't Haine-Saint-Pierre mean, literally, "Hate-Saint-Peter"? Funny lot, these Belgians...)
Re the question overall; really (as per my thoughts upthread) -- essentially, "I don't know". Should nobody else chip in; if you were thinking of inviting me to go next "by default", I don't feel that that would be merited -- my wishes: let it be open floor.
Gloster
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It gets its name from the River Haine: the river’s name comes from a variation of a Germanic word meaning ‘that which passes through the woods’. The river’s name went on to be the origin of the name of the province of Hainaut: one of the daughters of the Count married Edward III (gaining an ‘l’) and due to an imaginary connection a wood with a similar sounding old English name meaning ‘a wood belonging to a religious community‘ was later respelled as Hainault. (So she wasn’t the original Essex girl.)
Source: Mr and Monsieur Wikipedia’s site.
Thanks for information. Right -- a river name; goodness knows, we have enough bonkers names for rivers in Britain ! I've found on the map La Louviere, as cited by @DerekC. I had been, "glancingly", aware previously of the name Haine-Saint-Pierre, as that of a loco-building undertaking; but hadn't given it any thought -- wasn't sure, even, whether it was a Belgian, or French, outfit.
I did know of Belgium's province of Hainaut; and its Essex quasi-derived-from connection (was vaguely aware that that name-transference came about because of "something medieval"; thank you for the details.
Don't forget Meneer -- got to keep the Flemings happy
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DerekC
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Well, I have learned a lot from this question too. The Haine-Saint-Pierre works produced well over a thousand locomotives between 1838 and 1961, including quite a number which the French language websites say are "de conception anglaise", which would probably have annoyed John McIntosh, who was (if I have understood correctly) Chief Engineer of the Belgian State Railway between 1898 and 1910 and initiated the construction of a lot of locomotives to designs very similar to those of the Caledonian Railway, including some "Dunalastairs". It would be fascinating to know whether any survive in preservation. Here's a link to the website:
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forges_Usines_et_Fonderies_Haine-Saint-Pierre
Anyway, going back to the original question, the "Golwe" class locomotives had two steam bogies like a Garratt, but the boiler and firebox were over the front bogie, the cab in between with the bunker on the main frame behind. The water tank, however, was mounted directly on the rear bogie. As I mentioned, it looks a bit like a Mallet but with a Garratt-like back end.
Open floor, as @Calthrop has requested.
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forges_Usines_et_Fonderies_Haine-Saint-Pierre
Anyway, going back to the original question, the "Golwe" class locomotives had two steam bogies like a Garratt, but the boiler and firebox were over the front bogie, the cab in between with the bunker on the main frame behind. The water tank, however, was mounted directly on the rear bogie. As I mentioned, it looks a bit like a Mallet but with a Garratt-like back end.
Open floor, as @Calthrop has requested.
Ashley Hill
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I’d never heard of this until now. Watching the manufacturers video doesn’t give a clue as to which line though. It’s just a modernised token machine really.
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NYMR. Grosmont to Goathland.