Refurbished Eurostar?

[Peter Mugridge]

Maybe the one you are talking about is where the passenger cars were being used as refurb test beds and the power cars as you describe.

That's correct and it's in Today's Railways Europe issue 233 page 47, with a photo.

Only I got one detail wrong; it's power cars 3007 / 8.

 

[williamn]

Wow, at last. How late is this?!
http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/...tar-trainsets-to-enter-service-this-year.html

 

[jon0844]

Wow, at last. How late is this?!
http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/...tar-trainsets-to-enter-service-this-year.html

Wow, they look VERY impressive. Just shows what can be done with a good quality refurbishment, and why I continue to argue that many existing trains are not yet fit for scrapping (bar mechanical/parts issues) just because they look run down inside.

Less Philippe Starck, more Tony Stark.

 

[Strathclyder]

Wow, at last. How late is this?!
http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/...tar-trainsets-to-enter-service-this-year.html

Now THAT is how it's done. Looks like a completely new train, inside and out...

 

[317666]

Looks very nice - here's hoping they haven't changed the seating layout as the one currently on the 373s has correct seat/window alignment and a good mix of tables/airline.

 

[SpacePhoenix]

I reckon many of their customers will think that it's a brand new train!

 

[Yew]

Indeed, it looks nice inside, perhaps a little bland, but still very smart.

I'm not the biggest fan of the exterior livery, I dont like that gray, it looks like its primer waiting to be painted

 

[jon0844]

Having been on an ICE3, I don't think the interior of the new Eurostar trains is going to be exactly full of life, and will be much the same (so the average passenger can barely tell the difference).

They'll look bright and modern, which some will as cheap and plastic!

 

[Esker-pades]

The unit on the front of my Eurostar on the 22/07/15 was refurbished. It was 373014 as far as I remember.

 

[317666]

I had 3013+3014 on 10/07/15 and they were unrefurbished.

 

[airinter]

The new interior looks certainly smarter and cleaner than the current one, but it does not look as if they change that much apart from the seats and the wallpapers. There will still be the step underneath the windows which afaik contains heating and ventilation stuff and makes footspace a bit cramped on all TGV models. They probably also keep the pneumatic doors between the seating area and the vestibules, whose noise can be very annoying if you sit in a coach close to the bar next to those doors and fellow travellers keep coming and going.

I do hope that the new seats have equally large folding tables in the backrests as the old ones did. There are more than enough trains where you can not have a cup of tea because the table is already too small for your computer and those fishnet bags with the eurostar magazine are only suitable for bottled drinks.

 

[317666]

Also, unless the photos have been strategically taken then it looks like those stupid emergency window bars have been removed too!

 

[Goldfish62]

The new interior looks certainly smarter and cleaner than the current one, but it does not look as if they change that much apart from the seats and the wallpapers.

To me it looks like one of the biggest refurbs I've seen on a train.

 

[jon0844]

Yes, I'd say it's even more than what was done on the Heathrow Express (especially first class). It looks like a brand new train.

 

[starfury]

Looking very good. Although it looks like there will be a mix of e300 (refurbished), e300 (unrefurbished) and e320s running for the foreseeable future.

Does anyone know which service(s) the refurbished set is working on? And whether there is a revised seat plan knocking about?

 

[Bletchleyite]

Wow, they look VERY impressive. Just shows what can be done with a good quality refurbishment, and why I continue to argue that many existing trains are not yet fit for scrapping (bar mechanical/parts issues) just because they look run down inside.

Indeed. I learnt this years ago when I first encountered (at age 16 if I recall) a refurbished DB Silberling set, which I thought at the time was brand new stock built to an old design rather than just a very high quality and comprehensive interior refurb.

The key is doing a complete job of it including replacing or re-powder-coating (rather than badly painting) interior panelling, grab rails and the likes. Missing one aspect (e.g. side panels on 156s) gives it away, as do obvious brush strokes on panels. And not doing a messy half-job in which you don't even clean the ceiling panels as was done on the Wessies for GatEx.

 

[superalbs]

I saw the refurbished set on 5th August at Brussels, after arriving on the 12:58 from London. It looked very nice on the inside, but sadly there were bags over the seats, so I couldn't see them. It left before I could take any photos sadly. It was bound for St Pancras for those wondering.

 

[newmilton]

Just out of curiosity, does anyone know what stock they might be using on the first Paris train of the day (05h58 from Ebbsfleet) in November? I'm on my way to Turin via Paris.

 

[CharlieSpotted]

Indeed. I learnt this years ago when I first encountered (at age 16 if I recall) a refurbished DB Silberling set, which I thought at the time was brand new stock built to an old design rather than just a very high quality and comprehensive interior refurb.

May I nominate Arriva Trains Wales refurbed 158s? By far and away of my favourite vehicles to travel on between Wolves and Brum. Luxurious!

But boy, those Eurostars look spanking gorgeous.

 

[flash]

Just out of curiosity, does anyone know what stock they might be using on the first Paris train of the day (05h58 from Ebbsfleet) in November? I'm on my way to Turin via Paris.

Two choices either a 373 or 374

Although given that the 374's aren't in service until the 20th (and then only very limited number i.e 1) you are likely to have a 373

 

[Bletchleyite]

May I nominate Arriva Trains Wales refurbed 158s? By far and away of my favourite vehicles to travel on between Wolves and Brum. Luxurious!

Yes, that's a particularly good refurb. The ScotRail Inverness sets are similar and also very nice (and all ScotRail 158s are getting the same treatment).

 

[newmilton]

Two choices either a 373 or 374

Although given that the 374's aren't in service until the 20th (and then only very limited number i.e 1) you are likely to have a 373

I meant, Whether it might be one of the refurbished sets.

 

[MCR247]

Isn't there only one? And its unlikely the stock will be booked this far in advance, and unlikely that it would work the same diagram every day in November

 

[edwin_m]

The seating plans on the Eurostar website have some seats marked "Available, but direction of travel cannot be guaranteed". Is this because of the configuration being different in a refurbished unit or even an e320?

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Two choices either a 373 or 374

Although given that the 374's aren't in service until the 20th (and then only very limited number i.e 1) you are likely to have a 373

The planned diagram ( usual disclaimers apply ) for the 374 from the 20th November, Mondays to Fridays only, is:

07.01 St Pancras - Paris Nord
12.13 Paris Nord - St Pancras
15.31 St Pancras - Paris Nord
20.13 Paris Nord - St Pancras

 

[JaJaWa]

The seating plans on the Eurostar website have some seats marked "Available, but direction of travel cannot be guaranteed". Is this because of the configuration being different in a refurbished unit or even an e320?

Neither. It's always said that. In fact I think those seats aren't even guaranteed to be airline or table style.

 

[FlippyFF]

Refurbished 373 just gone through Stratford International on 9O36 1531 St Pancras International to Paris Nord.

Simon

 

[class387]

Hi,
Does anyone have any photos of set 3007 which has apparently been refurbed to a different standard?
Thanks