Deltic1961
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So what about the half price ticket sale? I bet a lot of tickets bought for that with seat reservations will be on cancelled services and people will be crammed on to the nearest 2 car 158 then?
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So what about the half price ticket sale? I bet a lot of tickets bought for that with seat reservations will be on cancelled services and people will be crammed on to the nearest 2 car 158 then?
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Probably. However it is a bit different to selling an advance ticket for a train leaving at 2318 on a Saturday night 2 days prior which hadn't run for 3 months before that, and then cancelling it without replacement at 2100 the evening before in such a fashion that causes it to disappear from the screens completely. Particularly when the nearest representative from Northern is over 30 miles away leaving some equally confused station staff (they get nothing but the blank departure board either) and some drivers, guards and cleaners from another operator to be attacked by the understandably angry drunken passengers. Now do this week after week for months on end, knowing full well the chaos you are causing.
We are a bit off topic but it is important not to underestimate the poor practice of P coding that is encouraged by the industry to massage it's own performance figures.
Just noted that as well as treating Aberdeen passengers to a 50% reduction in services to Glasgow and major reduction in Edinburgh services (although LNER maintain the frequency), scotrail have today switched the vast majority of remaining services running from 4-5 coach HST’s to 2-car 158s and some 3-car 170s. Utterly appalling - surely the priority should be keeping the capacity of remaining running services as high as possible when the route has gone from hourly to 2-hourly?!
Obviously with the extra 158-170 capacity freed up on local branch services, is this now Scotrail’s plan for North-east intercity passengers for the duration of the temporary timetable? Interesting choice to put 2-car 158s on some of the busiest (usually 5-car HST run) services of the day - and doesn’t show any thought towards passengers.
Obviously with the extra 158-170 capacity freed up on local branch services, is this now Scotrail’s plan for North-east intercity passengers for the duration of the temporary timetable? Interesting choice to put 2-car 158s on some of the busiest (usually 5-car HST run) services of the day - and doesn’t show any thought towards passengers.
I saw four HSTs in the Aberdeen depot this morning. Wonder what's wrong with them or if ScotRail are just choosing to run shorter trains? My journey was on a 170 one way, HST the other
Last week we had HST’s on most Aberdeen services when on the full timetable. I am really hoping it’s not the case, but suspect management are seizing the opportunity to downgrade the “inter7city” service and cut costs by cramming NE passengers onto packed smaller (cheaper!) commuter stock with the surplus capacity available under new timetable.
Deltic1961
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Surely with less trains running they would put on longer formations to compensate for the extra passengers?
But then this is Scotrail and planning isn't one of their strong points.
But then this is Scotrail and planning isn't one of their strong points.
It really does again seem like they’re treating passengers with contempt and are desperate to drive people away from the railway! The very least they could have done today was have as many 5-coach HST’s as possible out on the limited Aberdeen/Inverness to Glasgow services!
People will be far less forgiving with the temporary timetable having to stand for 2+ hours on a crammed single formation 158! If they’re keen to use the limited timetables to phase out HST’s they should be clearer about this and arrange some 4-6 car 158s
Not sure if advanced tickets (only valid on a specific train) are included in that?
ScotRail's half price sale was on flexible tickets. So whilst people might have reserved on a specific service, they won't be tied to it.
That's not a bad deal actually. And they don't work permanent nights and they do get decent time off.
I wouldn’t be prepared to do that job for £35k. Neither are many nurses which is why lots train with the NHS and then go and join private healthcare companies - and who can blame them?!
What sort of job would you be prepared to do for £35k then?
None really. I couldn’t afford to live on that.
uglymonkey
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And 35k is above average national income
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Average full time income is closer to 38k
Scotrail12
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They’re not even doing HSTs to Aberdeen in this timetable? Disgraceful, booking LNER then!
Most Aberdeen long distance routes either packed 2-car 158s or single 170s - HSTs decorating the sidings instead!
Clearly they have no intention of considering capacity and are running what’s cheapest to use…
Could it be to do with traincrew with HST traction knowledge being a smaller subset of all those crews at various depots covering the relevant lines of route? By diagramming 100% "plain vanilla" units it eradicates cancellations due to lack of crew availability with HST traction knowledge?
Understandable to an extent if so, but you’d think they would create some 4/6 car 158s to create HST level capacity given the near 50% intercity service reduction in any case.
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It just amazes me how Scotrail manage to run their business.
Last week at Aberdeen station the Inverness service was a crammed 2 car 158 but the commuter service to Inverurie right after it was twice the length and half empty.
Last week at Aberdeen station the Inverness service was a crammed 2 car 158 but the commuter service to Inverurie right after it was twice the length and half empty.
Depends what you use as 'average'. The mean is around that, thanks to those on very high salaries. But the median is less than £32k
(from https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentan...bulletins/annualsurveyofhoursandearnings/2021 )
scotrail158713
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I see that they're still claiming to be running "all available carriages" on Twitter. That's certainly being economical with the truth.
Yes - interesting that although they’re significantly short forming the majority of Aberdeen intercity services today, they only have two short-form alerts on the website and claim all others are running normally. I expect omitting vital information they hope keeps the press away from the issues
And in contradiction of this a specific reply last night from a member of the ScotRail Twitter team cited the lack of driver availability for interdepot and other empty stock moves and for facilitating attaching/detaching as being the reason for suboptimal formations. (His wording was more plain English than mine).
You could argue that those carriages are therefore unavailable. Which makes the "all available carriages" statement rather meaningless.
dk1
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Just what I was going to say. If drivers are ‘working to rule’ then there will be zero flexibility as nobody is going to come off roster or do anything to assist the diagramming of the HST fleet. That would then cause further delay/cancellations.
Falcon1200
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I wonder how many people will turn up at for example Glasgow Central or Queen St, or Edinburgh Waverley or Haymarket, after 2000 tonight expecting a train home. Good luck to the station staff who will have to deal with those unfortunates.
Scotrail314209
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There is a 20:18 LNER off Edinburgh to Glasgow. Though that isn’t much use.
It’d be fine if the 21:18 CrossCountry from Edinburgh to Glasgow was running too. Would help shift the load, but I believe that specific train (1S51) is terminating at Edinburgh.
Particularly pax decanting from Anglo-Scottish services at EDB and GLC perhaps. It will also present a challenge on occasions where Anglo-Scottish trains are running late sufficient for them to miss connecting with "new last trains" at 2000hrs or thereabouts.
Yes that sounds likely to be a factor.
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There's a 2015 express to Glasgow Queen Street, 2052 to Helensburgh Central via Glasgow Queen Street (Low Level) and a 2215 express to Glasgow Queen Street. So OK for that direction, but you're well out of luck for pretty much all other directions except for Tweedbank. It's still pretty rubbish that the last trains couldn't be protected.
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