Mordac
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Which Tyne Valley line services are operated by Scotrail? Are they all booked for 156s?
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Scotrail services in the Tyne Valley
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None are operated by Scotrail in reality. However online systems may show them as operated by whichever company operates the first part of the service.
Some threads discussing these trains include:
Some threads discussing these trains include:
Mordac
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Can you explain? Is it just that Northern staff change with Scotrail staff at Carlisle? In that case, rephrase my question to which ones are operated with Scotrail stock.
All booked for 156s. The following services are Scotrail units but operated from Northern crews from Carlisle:
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Can you explain? Is it just that Northern staff change with Scotrail staff at Carlisle? In that case, rephrase my question to which ones are operated with Scotrail stock.
Yes. Scotrail staff operate the service North of Carlisle, Northern operate it East of Carlisle. Anything originating or terminating at Dumfries or Glasgow Central will be a Scotrail 156.
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Mordac
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Thanks all!
Tetchytyke
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IIRC the 0618 and 0743 Dumfries-Newcastle are operated by Northern units. It's a Scotrail crew Dumfries-Carlisle and then a Northern crew from there.
The trains at Newcastle are advertised for Glasgow Central via Carlisle, not Barrhead.
The trains at Newcastle are advertised for Glasgow Central via Carlisle, not Barrhead.
Interesting , only northern service in Scotland !
Have to disagree there - 100% was advertised as Barrhead last Tuesday morning and has been before.
Of course, it could be done as both, or swap around
Tetchytyke
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They used to be advertised for Barrhead, which always made more sense, but when I've been there recently it's been Glasgow Central via Carlisle. Not been down there for a week or two at the right time, so might well have changed back again.
The 4th Rail
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Can confirm the 13:23 today is being advertised as Barrhead.
I believe at Glasgow Central they are advertised as Newcastle via Kilmarnock, feel free to correct me though.
I believe at Glasgow Central they are advertised as Newcastle via Kilmarnock, feel free to correct me though.
Many moons ago I used to commute on what is now 1S73, the 17.16. This was in the late 80's and ran to Girvan. Often thought it was an odd place to go to. There was a trolley on it as well. Having a 156 was much better than the pacers on the other services, or even for a limited time, a 47 and some mk1/mk2's on a train that left around 16.20 ish, when the gear box issues on the pacers got very bad.
And back in the day when you could buy a book of tickets.
And back in the day when you could buy a book of tickets.
DarloRich
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Thanks - I thought that in the dim and distant past ( aka 1980's) one of these services went from Newcastle to Girvan/Ayr/Stranraer and one to Irvine - perhaps it is my mind making things up - i am sure one of the mwas given a name like the Ayrshire trader or something equally silly for an orange sprinter train!
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Yup, a couple went to Stranraer and mine went to Girvan. A couple were orange, but mine was mainly in regional colours (sometimes with a scot rail branding), and yes, I remember the 'Ayrshire Trader'.
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Wasn't there also a "Tyne Trader"?
DarloRich
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must have been the return working
markydh
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It remains to be seen whether or not this arrangement of operational convenience continues once the Tyne Valley timetables are recast in 2018 or 19.
sprinterguy
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The summer 1992 timetable gives the following titles for the Newcastle - Scotland Regional Railways services, Monday to Saturday:
Galloway Enterprise: 12:38 Newcastle - Stranraer
Ayrshire Trader: 17:10 Newcastle - Girvan
Tyne Trader: Girvan - Newcastle (arr. 10:56)
Tyne Enterprise: Stranraer - Newcastle (arr. 15:51)
The Borderer: 15:48 Glasgow Central - Newcastle (arr. 19:59)
The early morning Newcastle - Glasgow Central doesn't seem to have been named at this time, though by the summer 1995 timetable did carry the reciprocal "The Borderer" name, and also started from Sunderland, at 6am.
The orange Strathclyde PTE 156s were certainly a regular sight stabled in one of the west end bays at Newcastle during the middle of the day between these workings.
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gray1404
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The Scotrail units on the route Glasgow - Carlisle - Newcastle are nice as well! Fresh feel to them. I would choose one of the to sit in any day over an old Northern unit.
bramling
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The other benefit is these services are guaranteed not to be a Pacer. Not that I mind Pacers from a comfort point of view, especially the Northern Spirit versions, but the 156 has more capacity.
Tetchytyke
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Ironic, really, that the Scotrail 156s still have the original Ashbourne seating in whilst the Northern units were fully refurbished with new Richmond seats in the late 90s.
The main advantage of the through trains is that you're guaranteed not to get a Pacer.
Maybe I've been unlucky, but they're always freezing when I get on one. That's a whole other kind of fresh feel!
SGS.
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DarloRich
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thanks for the detailed information - i didn't imagine it!
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