Snow and Ice Updates

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  1. Wivenswold

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    Could be fun and games from Thursday for the majority of the UK's network.
    Latest forecasts suggesting heavy snow for the Friday morning peak. Overnight lows of -4oC will cause ice-related travel problems too.

    Worth keeping an eye on, especially if you're travelling before or during the weekend.
     
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    I've got to use VTWC, Southern and VTEC and TPE on Saturday. I can see this going badly!

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    As far as the southern half of the country is concerned, there is heavy rain for most of tomorrow turning to heavy snow in the evening followed by an overnight frost. Certainly not ideal. South West will probably escape the frost.
     
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    Is the Surrey and Sussex area likely to get snow?
     
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    Could see another Reading game abandoned! This with the Southern & Tube strike this week.
     
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    Wow. I do hope we get the snow. I love snow. Bring it on. I admit it does disadvantage some people and some people have died in Europe because of it. I would rather people didn't die. However I do love the snow.
     
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    Was kept awake by strong winds last night, only just set out so not sure if services were affected - though my train from Batley to Dewsbury was late off Leeds and lost further time due to poor rail conditions. Apparently some lines were obstructed earlier on though, assuming Calder Valley.
     
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    I love the snow also, but let's hope it's not too serious for commuters.

    The fact that many people in the Continent has died of the cold has made me wonder how bad it actually is down there.
     
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    It seems likely.
    I guess the Southern strike wouldn't matter.

    Out of interest, how do they keep the ice of icing up if no train services are running during a strike? Clearly it won't matter whilst they strike but I'm thinking after the strike has ended and no trains have used a stretch of line for a time.
     
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    Semi on-topic I saw a picture on one newspaper website of a rather large obstruction caught up in the OLE somewhere - a trampoline!
     
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    Said trampoline even has its own thread! http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=140173
     
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    Shouldn't be a problem.

    I live in Pacerland next to a line where a Class 142 makes up 75% of the rolling stock.

    We've had heavy snow before and the Pacers seem to have coped just fine, (it's leaves they really struggle with).

    The Pacers were built up North in Leyland so they were built with Snow in mind. Whereas down in the balmy South all these brand spanking new trains such as Class 700 will likely have problems....
     
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    I thought it was Workington
     
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    There's already been snow today on the higher routes in Scotland.
    This is the view on the A9 at Drumochter:
    https://trafficscotland.org/livetrafficcameras/view/?cam=65

    However in Scotland that doesn't merit any sort of warning on traffic Scotland, BBC travel news or on national rail enquiries.

    (Though to be honest, I might be suggesting we're a bit soft further south, but I wouldn't drive in that)
     
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    The Drumochter pass rises up to around 1500ft asl so I expect heavy snow and occasional blizzard conditions are an annual event. If it gets really bad they do have snow gates which are used to close the road. I guess that closing the road is a last resort as the A9 is the primary route to get to northern Scotland.

    Traffic Scotland do have warnings out for Drumochter and other routes:

    https://trafficscotland.org/weather/index.aspx?regionid=2

    I am in London tomorrow afternoon, I will get up there fine but I'll be traveling home an hour or so after the rain has turned to snow, so am hoping I'll be able to get a train back to Horsham, even if it is delayed. I wouldn't fancy trying to cycle the 40 miles back home on a cold icy winter night! I'm not expecting it to be that bad, it just looks like a normal winter cold snap with a bit of snow thrown in, it is not on the scale of January or December 2010.
     
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    Hopefully we see some snow here in London tomorrow.... as long as I can get back up to Yorkshire on Friday for the weekend. Latest forecast suggesting heavy snow 6pm onwards tomorrow but with heavy rain during the day
     
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    Gale force winds and rain then snow forecast for Dover (& other places) tomorrow evening.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2651048?day=1

    The lovely Rachel Mackley on the BBC south east weather suggested 3-4cm of snow, which of course isn't that much, but will probably cause chaos!
     
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    The met office often overplays the forecast in these circumstances, but of concern tomorrow is the strength of the wind as well as the snow.
     
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    There are a few less obvious threats I think. Snow alone doesn't always bring the system to a halt. As you've said, high winds are expected at various times in the next few days, especially down the East Coast.

    The Environment Agency have warned of coastal flooding and there are similarities between the position of Friday's North Sea depression and the 1953 one.

    I think the worst will be ice though. Torrential rain will fall today across the whole SE before it turns to snow. That slushy mixture on the ground will freeze when the skies clear tonight.

    It's not a good combo but OHL lines will probably fare better than 3rd rail ones. Which is more bad news for Southern passengers.
     
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    Any snow-related problems in the Southern area will no doubt be attributed to industrial action.

    I suspect there may be a tricky situation at locations away from London and above about 200 feet a.m.s.l. where heavy rain is overlain by wet snow and then the resultant slush freezes overnight - almost the worst case for third rail operation (second only to freezing rain, or 'ice storm', as the Americans call it).
     
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    This will indeed be very tricky especially as commuters, having heard the news updates will want to get out of work earlier where possible and get home.
     
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    Very cloudy here in Seaford. Some misty rain, no sign of any snow at present.
     
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    There won't be any snow along the south coast until much later (if any at all at sea level).
     
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    I don't think we'll have any snow in Llanelli (famous last words) but there's sleet in Carmarthen.
     
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    My mum lives on the North Wales coast, It hardly ever snows, I think the last time was about 5 years ago and then only briefly.
     
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    How's it meant to be by Monday/Tuesday/Wednesday, particularly up in Glasgow?

    Cheers.
     
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    Snowing in Llanidloes
     
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    At over 170m there, I think you were fairly sure to see snow.
     
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    It's still much more preferable to commute by train than by car... (depending on the driving skills)
     

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    Yes very much so. Many people, especially in the London area, are utterly clueless about how to competently drive a road vehicle in ice or snow.
     
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