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There are images of the Flourish statement and it was in the final invitation to tender.Says who? Link to a source please?
There are images of the Flourish statement and it was in the final invitation to tender.Says who? Link to a source please?
So you mean the Wales Millennium Centre in the Bay, not the Millennium (now Principality) Stadium in front of Central station.There are images of the Flourish statement and it was in the final invitation to tender.
If the Welsh Government fail to give the go-ahead to the black route M4, it will be electoral suicide - even in Labour heartlands.
There are images:So you mean the Wales Millennium Centre in the Bay, not the Millennium (now Principality) Stadium in front of Central station.
There's a pretty big difference between the two locations.
Again, the only thing that's confirmed and costed in the Bay is a new station at Loudon Square and The Flourish. Anything else is hope and aspiration.
Right in front of the Millenium stadium the network will expand further.
Err??There are images: View attachment 55134
There are indeed images, and the planned light rail extension to the Wales Milennium Centre is well known and undisputed. But when you said:There are images: View attachment 55134
Right in front of the Millenium stadium the network will expand further.
I got really confused I thought you were disputing the existence of the Flourish Station.There are indeed images, and the planned light rail extension to the Wales Milennium Centre is well known and undisputed. But when you said:
Both Cardiff123 and I (possibly others) thought you were talking about the rugby stadium next to Cardiff Central. Now you've cleared it up, though.
My bad I accidentally said Stadium instead of Centre.There are indeed images, and the planned light rail extension to the Wales Milennium Centre is well known and undisputed. But when you said:
Both Cardiff123 and I (possibly others) thought you were talking about the rugby stadium next to Cardiff Central. Now you've cleared it up, though.
These are the new stations:
Brand new
Gabalfa
Flourish - Will replace Cardiff Bay and has been hinted at being called Cardiff Bay - because no one knows what/where "The Flourish" is
Loudoun Square
Cardiff Parkway - Whilst happening, is being paid for by the private sector, so not technically part of the metro.
Miskin - *
Crwys Road
Llanwern - *
Relocated
Treforest Estate
We are going round in circles now. The stations you highlight have not been confirmed.Sorry to go around in circles:
* Have those been confirmed? A station on Newport Road and Ely Mill were considered at the same time, I've not seen anything concrete since this article https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-39733717
Quoting Wikipedia to prove a point should lead to instant loss of argument.Further to my point it will be part of the South Wales Metro and will be served by Metro trains. View attachment 55140
Would've been good if electrification didn't get cancelled between Cardiff and Swansea.Here's my thoughts on the Cardiff area Metro - totally wishful thinking! (Valley lines services, Maesteg line and Ebbw Vale line).
1. Ignore the current proposal entirely.
2. Electrify all the routes and use 4 car EMU's equivalent to Class 350/Class 700 Desiro. If no electrification is not taking place, go diesel in the interim with 4 car 150's/175's/modified 319's until feasible Hydrogen powered trains are readily available.
3. Carry on with the extension from Cardiff Bay station into the bay and use a tram train, but keep it as it's existing closed line to Queen Street.
4. Add a Swansea to Bristol TM/Weston SM hourly service, or extend the existing Cardiff to Taunton service.
5. Preferably have an electric shuttle service between Wales and Bristol TM.
With all the new office developments around Cardiff Central and Bristol TM, it's clearly the case that increasing number of people will be looking to commute to these locations.
Argh, no!!!6. Demolish Pontypridd station and rebuild it with 4 through platforms and 1 bay platform. There is room for the lines to merge to 3 south of Ponty station and have a passing loop between Pontypridd and Treforest for extra resilience.
It doesn't need that many platforms. I believe the current tram-train and FLIRT plans are more than we could imagine.Argh, no!!!
I have a soft spot for Pontypridd station's architecture. If you were suggesting restoring the station to something like its previous island layout, I'd be supporting you all the way.
(I'm guessing that your suggestion of extra through lines is to deal with out-of-course running due to late running trains, like at Queen Street. Am I right?)
These plans are horrible and even MTR who messed up their bid wouldn't even do that. It would be an instant loss.Here's my thoughts on the Cardiff area Metro - totally wishful thinking! (Valley lines services, Maesteg line and Ebbw Vale line).
1. Ignore the current proposal entirely.
2. Electrify all the routes and use 4 car EMU's equivalent to Class 350/Class 700 Desiro. If no electrification is not taking place, go diesel in the interim with 4 car 150's/175's/modified 319's until feasible Hydrogen powered trains are readily available.
3. Carry on with the extension from Cardiff Bay station into the bay and use a tram train, but keep it as it's existing closed line to Queen Street.
4. Add a Swansea to Bristol TM/Weston SM hourly service, or extend the existing Cardiff to Taunton service.
5. Preferably have an electric shuttle service between Wales and Bristol TM.
6. Demolish Pontypridd station and rebuild it with 4 through platforms and 1 bay platform. There is room for the lines to merge to 3 south of Ponty station and have a passing loop between Pontypridd and Treforest for extra resilience.
With all the new office developments around Cardiff Central and Bristol TM, it's clearly the case that increasing number of people will be looking to commute to these locations.
The High Street bridge under the railway is also listed -Name of Property : Pontypridd Railway Station Main Platform including buildings and canopy
Name of Property : Railway Bridge beneath Pontypridd Railway Station
Right in front of the Millenium stadium the network will expand further.
No, I already corrected it in a newer post, I accidentally said stadium instead of centre.There are no rail lines pre existing or planned "in front of the Milenium stadium" as it was renamed the Principlaity Stadium
Argh, no!!!
I have a soft spot for Pontypridd station's architecture. If you were suggesting restoring the station to something like its previous island layout, I'd be supporting you all the way.
(I'm guessing that your suggestion of extra through lines is to deal with out-of-course running due to late running trains, like at Queen Street. Am I right?)
These plans are horrible and even MTR who messed up their bid wouldn't even do that. It would be an instant loss.
Why? The main concern of myself and fellow commuters is the capacity of the trains and requiring extra coaches particularly at peak times. Most of the time, the frequency of the service isn't an issue (certainly not between Cardiff and Ponty).
I don't consider a tram-train with no toilet to be an upgrade even for a freight wagon with a British Leyland bus welded to it (you can tell I really hate the pacers!)..
Why? The main concern of myself and fellow commuters is the capacity of the trains and requiring extra coaches particularly at peak times. Most of the time, the frequency of the service isn't an issue (certainly not between Cardiff and Ponty).
I don't consider a tram-train with no toilet to be an upgrade even for a freight wagon with a British Leyland bus welded to it (you can tell I really hate the pacers!)..
When stating things as fact or making claims on these forums, it would be really helpful if you could provide weblinks to evidence / news stories to back up your claims and arguments. This does not include Wikipedia.The Taff valley needed light rail extensive studies showed this, the CityLinks are only on the taff valleys and were needed and are better than heavy rail for the area.