South Western Railway - a mixed start to life as a TOC?

[infobleep]

Where are you going to get that bus to ? The regular bus is pointless for commuters. The Cobham chatterbus is tiny and a sop to the OAPs who travel on passes. Oxshott, Cobham, Effingham, Horsley and Clandon have no effective bus service for people with full time jobs. The evening service is basically nonexistent and these are small buses anyway. Where are you going to put several hundred people ? It’s a waste of time. But that’s because stagecoach and co have been able To destroy bus services in the last 20 years or so... and the relevant authorities have let them ....

Hundreds of people don't live in Claygate or Hinchley Wood. I mean they are suggesting TfL buses to Berrylands and thozs are the same size

 

[Goldfish62]

The timetables for Saturday are up at last. Interesting that Longcross gets a service even though it doesn't normally on Saturdays. I might have a day out there....

 

[Kite159]

The timetables for Saturday are up at last. Interesting that Longcross gets a service even though it doesn't normally on Saturdays. I might have a day out there....

Random couple services during the day on the West of England line seem to be skipping the Hampshire villages to save one minute by Basingstoke and roughly the same time at Waterloo. That just seems a bit random and will most likely result in the units sitting at Basingstoke for 5+ minutes waiting for the correct departure time (like they do sometimes on Sundays)

 

[infobleep]

Interestingly there are less short formations listed on SWR journey check currently than there were at this time yesterday.

Would have have been due to stock not being in the right place yesterday, it not being a normal timetable.

What our the chances of them having long formations tomorrow?

 

[nw1]

Fitting the 442s in to the current timetable is likely to be challenging, as generally the fast and slow services interwork at Waterloo, and ideally the 442s need to be kept to the fast services.

I've always wondered why they do that (though it's not 100% like that, for example the rear portion of the 1000 SOU-Waterloo appears to then form the 1145 Portsmouth and Southsea stopper, and ISTR seeing a carriage working schedule somewhere which showed plenty of other exceptions during the Mon-Fri off-peak) - probably something to do with the timings (as otherwise the fasts would have a turnaround time of something like 35 minutes meaning that you'd have two fasts occupying two platforms).

However it looks like the Portsmouth fasts could interwork easily (with a 15-20 minute Waterloo turnaround) with the Poole stoppers and the Portsmouth via Eastleigh services, meaning you could use predominantly 444s and 442s, with 450s where needed for capacity, on these diagrams.

Then the Portsmouth/Haslemere stoppers could interwork with Basingstoke/Alton etc and share a common set of diagrams with mostly 450s.

 

[pompeyfan]

I've always wondered why they do that (though it's not 100% like that, for example the rear portion of the 1000 SOU-Waterloo appears to then form the 1145 Portsmouth and Southsea stopper, and ISTR seeing a carriage working schedule somewhere which showed plenty of other exceptions during the Mon-Fri off-peak) - probably something to do with the timings (as otherwise the fasts would have a turnaround time of something like 35 minutes meaning that you'd have two fasts occupying two platforms).

However it looks like the Portsmouth fasts could interwork easily (with a 15-20 minute Waterloo turnaround) with the Poole stoppers and the Portsmouth via Eastleigh services, meaning you could use predominantly 444s and 442s, with 450s where needed for capacity, on these diagrams.

Then the Portsmouth/Haslemere stoppers could interwork with Basingstoke/Alton etc and share a common set of diagrams with mostly 450s.

But as soon as you start running 442s on Poole services and harbour Via Eastleigh you then need to train Basingstoke and Bournemouth crew on how to operate them, which is unlikely considering Guildford and Woking aren’t learning them.

As it stands only a small pool of Bournemouth drivers, a few Fratton drivers and top link Waterloo drivers are learning them. Guards wise it’s unknown who will learn them but will be based around Fratton top link and Waterloo top link.

 

[swt_passenger]

I've always wondered why they do that (though it's not 100% like that, for example the rear portion of the 1000 SOU-Waterloo appears to then form the 1145 Portsmouth and Southsea stopper, and ISTR seeing a carriage working schedule somewhere which showed plenty of other exceptions during the Mon-Fri off-peak) - probably something to do with the timings (as otherwise the fasts would have a turnaround time of something like 35 minutes meaning that you'd have two fasts occupying two platforms).

However it looks like the Portsmouth fasts could interwork easily (with a 15-20 minute Waterloo turnaround) with the Poole stoppers and the Portsmouth via Eastleigh services, meaning you could use predominantly 444s and 442s, with 450s where needed for capacity, on these diagrams.

Then the Portsmouth/Haslemere stoppers could interwork with Basingstoke/Alton etc and share a common set of diagrams with mostly 450s.

The plan is that the additional platforms available when the Windsor side moves over into P20-24 should allow interworking to be reduced.

 

[Matt Taylor]

Fratton drivers are beginning to learn 442s from next week, following the cancellation of the December timetable changes slightly fewer 442s are thought to be required but introduction is still planned for December.

 

[swt_passenger]

I wonder if, (as supply of EMUs should be adequate with 442s in service), they’ll ever be able to put a 450 on the Lymington branch Mon-Fri, and replace the last few remaining South Hants local DMUs running entirely on third rail?

At very least it should allow some strengthening of Salisbury line services.

 

[Matt Taylor]

I wonder if, (as supply of EMUs should be adequate with 442s in service), they’ll ever be able to put a 450 on the Lymington branch Mon-Fri, and replace the last few remains South Hants local DMUs running entirely on third rail?

At very least it should allow some strengthening of Salisbury line services.

Yes, I think it was part of the changes in December!

 

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